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Big Mick
"2014 - Kunce of the year"
^^^ This, and your feet are fixed on the floor (they don't move during the squat) and the weight does not stay centred over your centre of gravity and your feet during the squat, loading you muscles and joints up at un natural angels. With a bar bell the weight stays centred over your feet and centre of gravity.
Easy to test, squat in a smith machine and you will instantly see what I am talking about, even just using the bar with no weights on it. You will end up hanging onto the bar to stop yourself falling over and the weight will not be over your natural centre of gravity causing un natural movement. I would hate to try and squat 140kg in a smith machine.
Easy to test, squat in a smith machine and you will instantly see what I am talking about, even just using the bar with no weights on it. You will end up hanging onto the bar to stop yourself falling over and the weight will not be over your natural centre of gravity causing un natural movement. I would hate to try and squat 140kg in a smith machine.
Goosey
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Same.
It is, if we continue to compare the two (bb squat versus smith).
its got nothing to do with; "the centre of your gravity", it's about the the path of the bar and your leverages, which means most will need to stand (feet positioned) forward of the bar, which inturn places an emphasis on the quads and hip, which ain't a bad thing, until you get to heavy weight (which is what's needed) then you better be careful as if or when you fail the bar will fold you in half.
A much safer and productive option for the lower body is a trap-bar or leg-press
its typical that we still discuss the same shit over and over
Shrek
Fucked up Kunce
Until new excercises are invented we have to discuss same shit. Bodybuilding/lifting is not a neverending continuum.
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Goosey
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Its interesting what parts of what I wrote you decided to comment on.
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kaz
iLift
I've wanted a trap bar since forever but it was never a priority. I like mixing up my main lifts now I'm boy specifically training for PL. Plus Conjugate method opened my eyes a lot to engaging other lifts in programming.
Goosey
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It's a great exercise.
it falls into an exercise within its own right.
just a great way to strengthen the muscles of the thigh and hip and work the grip really well also.
similar to the dead lift except minimal load on the back because of where your hands are, with the dead you can really lock the back in as the load is slightly in front of the torso, you can't do this with the trap bar, but you can really get a good workout on the legs and shoulder.
it falls into an exercise within its own right.
just a great way to strengthen the muscles of the thigh and hip and work the grip really well also.
similar to the dead lift except minimal load on the back because of where your hands are, with the dead you can really lock the back in as the load is slightly in front of the torso, you can't do this with the trap bar, but you can really get a good workout on the legs and shoulder.
Goosey
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good video,I like the fact he's standing on plates and using the lower (traditional) height handle position, you see most use the higher setting, a lot of the copy trap bars now have the two heights, which I don't like.
Shrek
Fucked up Kunce
Yeah it is...[emoji1]
kaz
iLift
My concern is I would be holding the bar quite wide but the uprightness of the movement will assist in my good morning like squat.
RyanF
Member
Are you saying that gravity does not apply when objects are forced to move on a 5 degree (approx) deviation?
Again, you haven't explained how any of this is unnatural. The only thing that could possibly be an argument here is that torque changes things...but that doesn't make things unnatural, it just makes them less convenient. For training purposes, that's neither good nor bad in and of itself. Some exercises have this factor as a part of their design, such as lateral raises (inb4 "but the smith machine's a MACHINE; they're freeweights" -- that's a separate issue altogether).
Sounds like you're not proficient in using the smith machine. I'm not either, so I'd hate to use one for anything other than calf raises, but the fact that using different equipment requires different skill does not make it worse or better, it just makes it different.
0ni
Registered Rustler
What?
Big Mick
"2014 - Kunce of the year"
My guess is your not understanding what I am saying. Yes it is unnatural movement, because your feet are fixed and so is the bar path, so your body is sort of wedged between the floor and the bar, and has to confirm to what it does rather than the bar conform to what your body wants to do. Nothing to do with different skills. I have my own smith machine, and I do use it, and it does have its uses, squatting is definitely not one of those uses.
At the end of the day I don't care if peope squat in the smith machine or curl in the squat rack or super set pink foam dumbbell curls as I have my own gym and use it as I want to use it. If you or the OP are happy to squat 80k in a smith machine and after ten years of training he squats less than my missus does and probbaly has less muscle, he can feel free to waste his time in the gym. It is his life and I could not give a toss. Some people are happy to take constructive advise on training others think they know better, but I wonder who knows more about training?? A bloke who after ten years struggles to squat 80kg in a smith machine in the prime his life or a bloke who at nearly 50 squats 170kg with a barbell on his back??
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