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Neddysmith
Standard kunce
For rear delts I will use with the fly machine (not peck deck) or do reverse cable flyes, I find I can target the rear delts much better then reverse db flys.
I think the trick is also to not go too far back else this will move the focus from rear delts to middle of the back, you be able to feel the tension be released from the rear delts when doing this.
I think the trick is also to not go too far back else this will move the focus from rear delts to middle of the back, you be able to feel the tension be released from the rear delts when doing this.
White_Lie
Look at Moi, I'm a Kunce
I interpret it to mean which exercise is going to allow or cause the most development. Like most muscles groups, I think a mixture of strength and hypertrophy movements are required, so heavier compounds with emphasis on the rear muscles like a BTN OHP and isolations like rear delt flyes or reverse cables all have their place.
Goosey
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I know you've mentioned them often, so many benefits to this exercise, one being they promote good posture (pulling shoulders back), but i dont think that this exercise really stimulates them mechanically, there is nothing worse than seeing some dude with "slumped" shoulders.
I think you're partially right, in that finding an exercise that works the given muscle from fully stretched to fully contracted under constant tension (mechanical work) "you'll get best bang for bucks" it's the best way to stimulate growth, but i believe the "load" needs to be really heavy and I don't think those exercises (flys) cut it.
Although being an excellent "shoulder girdle" exercise, The BTN press is doing squat for your rear delts in regards to optimal development
Rows are the key, chest supported with heavy weight with a grip just wider than shoulder width allows one to really fatigue those shoulders.
"back work" is the salient point here.
All forms of pulling, those big multi-joint movements biuld big rear delts.
My faves, in no order and the one's i do throughout the week and in the last 20 years solid:
chest supported row
machine pullover
deadlifts
SLDL
pull-downs
chin-ups
Farmer's
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steveP
Well-known member
I usually feel the real delts the most after a big back workout rather than a shoulder workout, particular wide grip bent over rows. I've tried many variations of rear delt flies but they just feel too awkward and you have to go so light they don't feel like they're optimally working the shoulders. So now I do wide grip rows with a barbell and also dumbbell bent over rows. You can go relatively heavy and you get a good burn in the rear shoulders.
I think this plus the wide grip chest supported rows will probably do the trick (thanks Goosey). Cheers.
Goosey
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The thing is, with the "narrow" grip, where the hands are about 200mm apart, it really limits the ROM, it's about how far the elbow moves, with the "proper" grip you'll get another 200mm of movement, and with proper exercise it's all about the ROM baby.
Goosey
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looking at this pic, Arnold had a short waist and long legs and for a man who had this shape had pretty well sized legs.
Also,his lats where just short and thick, compared to Olivia And Nubret.
Alpha Moth
New member
Rear delt flys and rear delt rows
whoever said BTN press for rear delts.. this is an anterior delt movement and to some degree lateral delts, triceps and traps. rear delt is transversely extends the humerus
whoever said BTN press for rear delts.. this is an anterior delt movement and to some degree lateral delts, triceps and traps. rear delt is transversely extends the humerus