10mg would still work.
This by IPF800
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...e-effects-then-injectable-testosterone-3.html
YOU'RE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES.
1.) The menagerie of steroids you see used these days were mostly developed during the 1930-50's. At the time research into male hormones was all the rage and pharmaceutical companies would patent anything they would come up with for possible further use. Most substances were pushed to the side and forgotten. This happens all the time, there are tens of thousands of drugs in the back logs of pharmaceutical companies that no one ever found a medical use for so they go on ice.
What you're really asking here is "why are steroids besides test used by athletes if test itself sooooo wonderful"? The short answer is, test sucks for *actual* athletes. (Bodybuilders are not athletes, sorry to everyone with a hurt asshole.)
Keep in mind that drug use began among athletes from Olympic sports and filtered down to everyone else. As drug testing in sports became more and more sophisticated through the 70-80's athletes (mostly T&F and weightlifters) needed to use different compounds to pass their tests without getting popped. Different drugs have different clearance times and things like test prop or suspension were only used to bridge. Test E and C have terrible clearance times and can't be used reliably in drug tested sports without a hell of a lot of planning. To find new undetectable compounds team doctors went back into those same pharmaceutical back logs and pulled up the old substances which the tests were not yet calibrated to detect. They were looking for anything they could, and thus many new compounds were introduced into the sporting world eventually filtering down to bodybuilders (who were nothing more than a strange pseudo-athletic subculture back then).
Just about everyone from the 60's-80's who broke a world record used good ol' dbol as the base of their cycle if they could get away with it. Some lucky teams used designer drugs or rotated in drugs to accomplish different training goals over time. They were trying to maximize their performance, simple as that.
See, test IS king - if your only athletic goal in life is to get "swole" and look good on a beach. If you are looking for strength and recovery gains without any weight gain (weight class sports) it's not the best compound to use. So how were athletes able to use dbol only and not come down with the litany of horrid side effects everyone here blathers on about? THEY USED IT AS DIRECTED. Dbol is useful even at small doses if all you care about it recovery and strength gain.
Someone threw out "The Russians" before claiming that Alexeev used massive amounts of dbol. What UTTER BULLSHIT. The Russians had a nationwide doping program, only useing 0.5mg/kg of bodyweight per day and they cycled it in three week blocks - three on three off. They also took off entire YEARS (usually post-Olympic) where they went clean. There was no post cycle therapy (pct) and yet tens of thousands of those "old time" athletes survived just fine without it. They smashed world records that modern athletes only dream about simply because they busted their asses and were intelligent about their drug use.
Most of the great 70's powerlifters thrived on nothing more than 15-25mg of dbol a day, a tiny amount compared to the people you see posting their train wrecks on boards like this. No wonder everyone crashed so hard, they're taking double and triple the effective dose with other things stacked in.
Bill March was using 10mg a DAY when he standing pressed 390lbs at 220 bwt. I personally use 25mg a day and am an 800 deadlifter at 275, so make of it what you will.
The bottom line - the BEST ATHLETES IN HISTORY used anything and everything BESIDES test. If they had, they would have to have been off cycle for up to 6 months before major competitions to clear. When the OP brought up the army of East German doctors and data collected from tens of thousands of athletes over decades, he was right. They knew what they were doing and were some of the BEST sports coaches in history. Sure, none of their athletes could win the Mr. Olympia, but no pro bodybuilder could out throw an average German woman's shot putter. Apples to oranges.
2.) As I said, test is only being used these days because it's cosmetic drug. It's not really used in the sporting world.
This is why you've got 280lbs guys with abs who can't lift worth a shit. They're not athletes and their drug protocol is only designed to make them look a certain way. They don't have to worry about getting popped for using Test E too close to a World Cup. You're getting one story from the bodybuilders and they obviously know what they're doing, but come over to the powerlifting boards and we'll tell you a whole 'nother story.
I personally don't know anyone who uses Test as a cycle base and I've been competing internationally for a decade. If I were to use it, I'd outgrow my weight class in a month and only gain a marginal increase in strength. Dianabol has been used by athletes for 60 years for a reason - it's still one of the best compounds for strength and performance gains while staying in your weight class!
