Darkoz
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That's my understanding of it also
Regardless, what's important is don't be a fat bastard in the first place
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Regardless, what's important is don't be a fat bastard in the first place
Exactly. That is why the forever bulking recommendations are a great way to guarantee you always look like shit.
oldcorollas
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that's it.. really important not to get fat as a kid, cos then you're battling for life..
inneresting..
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7319684
Darkoz
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And the thing is once you get fat over a period of time your body actually needs LESS calories to maintain that amount of fat
StrungOut
Hooded Kunce
Never, they are evil and make you fat
Rugby88
I have Ep1c Calendar kunce
Old school diets (Arnold era) were really focused around fats and protein - here is an example on a diet back in the 70's - I have posted a thread about this before somewhere -
70′s Nutrition Guide
Breakfast:
Lunch:
70′s Nutrition Guide
Breakfast:
- cheese omelette
- cottage cheese
- scrambled eggs
- hamburger patty
- juice
Lunch:
- chicken breast
- tuna
- eggs
- cottage cheese
- salad
- protein drink
- tuner salad
- 2 hambuger patties with cheese on them
- cottage cheese
- maybe some eggs, steak chicken, turkey
- salad
- Protein Drink
- cheese omelette
- cottage cheese
The one consistent in BB diets over the years has been high protein. People have got jacked on all sorts of variations of the high protein theme.
jj80
Member
One of the things Kiefer (CBL author) says is that insulin is required to take the glucose in the blood stream to fat and muscle. This is why you can have trouble building muscle and not fat - insulin does both jobs.
He says though you can get around it through heavy exercise - the glucose can get to the muscle if you do weight training - through "glut4" transporters (book goes into detail).
I asked my diabetic mate if his blood glucose dropped after heavy exercise - he said yes, that always happens. I found that interesting - mind you I think he might even mean a light walk or run to the train as exercise - otherwise he's a bit of a couch potatoe (AFAIK).
He says though you can get around it through heavy exercise - the glucose can get to the muscle if you do weight training - through "glut4" transporters (book goes into detail).
I asked my diabetic mate if his blood glucose dropped after heavy exercise - he said yes, that always happens. I found that interesting - mind you I think he might even mean a light walk or run to the train as exercise - otherwise he's a bit of a couch potatoe (AFAIK).
Goosey
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Building muscle requires meats, grains and legumes and eaten together provide all the aminos needed.
You've got to do a bit of exercise to.
How hard or often is up to you and your ability to recover.
Under 21?
Eat twice as much if you want to biuld more muscle
You've got to do a bit of exercise to.
How hard or often is up to you.
Over 40?
Start eating much less
You've got to do a bit of exercise to.
How hard or often is up to you.
Big Mick
"2014 - Kunce of the year"
Depends on your goals and where you currently are, the books (CBL and Carb Nite) explain how to use insulin to your advantage, I am not going to be able to explain in a forum post what took two books and hundreds of scientific studies to put together.
Generally if you follow a CBL protocol, you only consume carbs just after training, to assist your body to transport proteins into muscle cells when they are most receptive, in the morning fat cells are more likely to empty, as the hormonal balance of the body is set up to do so.
CBL is designed for people that already are pretty lean and is supposed to give you the final edge in maximising your natural gains and lean-ness. Carb Nite is more for people who still have a fair bit of fat to drop, both diets are designed to be done by people training with weights, not cardio bunnies, as it revolves around your weight training.
Like I said read the books and references and it's really quite simple to understand, also explains why other eating methods fail, and why some work.
Well you have to focus on when your body responds best to certain things, no point trying to fight what it does naturally, you can't argue away hormones and how they affect what goes on in your body
No one said CBL is a scientific refernece
What makes it a fad diet?? So any new scientific findings and research and development is a fad?? Have you read the books to be able to make this judgement and even comment on something that you clearly have no idea about. Unless you have read the books and followed up on the over 50 pages or scientific studies listed in the books as references you really are talking out of your arse, it would be like me telling you how to run a dairy farm, I have no idea, so I don't comment on it.
Well again refer to the book and around 50 pages of referenced scientific studies, then come back and comment on something you have educated yourself on. As only then you can make an educated and valid comment.
WTF??
Where did this gem come from?? Since when would building muscle require meats, grains and legumes and eaten together??
What benefits would the grains and legumes give you, pretty sure millions of people have build muscle without eating these three together. I personally pretty much never eat these together, so there for I should have no muscles??
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Rugby88
I have Ep1c Calendar kunce
jj80
Member
The book does reference a shitload of studies, however one seemingly appropriate criticism I've read is that the studies are referenced and used beyond what they were intended for. For example, insulin spikes in the morning therefore delay your nutrient intake - the premise is solid, but does delaying breakfast really cause you to burn significantly more fat? Does spiking insulin post workout really cause huge changes in muscle repair? Subtle changes, perhaps - but it's not quantified anywhere.
I doubt it makes huge changes, I've only been on it a few weeks. I'll be coming off it tomorrow, being generous and saying I build 20% more muscle, 20% less fat on it - it's not worth it to me to feel so dead during the day. I need SOME carbs.
I doubt it makes huge changes, I've only been on it a few weeks. I'll be coming off it tomorrow, being generous and saying I build 20% more muscle, 20% less fat on it - it's not worth it to me to feel so dead during the day. I need SOME carbs.
Rugby88
I have Ep1c Calendar kunce
Depends on your goals and where you currently are, the books (CBL and Carb Nite) explain how to use insulin to your advantage, I am not going to be able to explain in a forum post what took two books and hundreds of scientific studies to put together.
Generally if you follow a CBL protocol, you only consume carbs just after training, to assist your body to transport proteins into muscle cells when they are most receptive, in the morning fat cells are more likely to empty, as the hormonal balance of the body is set up to do so.
CBL is designed for people that already are pretty lean and is supposed to give you the final edge in maximising your natural gains and lean-ness. Carb Nite is more for people who still have a fair bit of fat to drop, both diets are designed to be done by people training with weights, not cardio bunnies, as it revolves around your weight training.
Like I said read the books and references and it's really quite simple to understand, also explains why other eating methods fail, and why some work.
Well you have to focus on when your body responds best to certain things, no point trying to fight what it does naturally, you can't argue away hormones and how they affect what goes on in your body
No one said CBL is a scientific refernece
What makes it a fad diet?? So any new scientific findings and research and development is a fad?? Have you read the books to be able to make this judgement and even comment on something that you clearly have no idea about. Unless you have read the books and followed up on the over 50 pages or scientific studies listed in the books as references you really are talking out of your arse, it would be like me telling you how to run a dairy farm, I have no idea, so I don't comment on it.
Well again refer to the book and around 50 pages of referenced scientific studies, then come back and comment on something you have educated yourself on. As only then you can make an educated and valid comment.
WTF??
Where did this gem come from?? Since when would building muscle require meats, grains and legumes and eaten together??
What benefits would the grains and legumes give you, pretty sure millions of people have build muscle without eating these three together. I personally pretty much never eat these together, so there for I should have no muscles??
Mick where to start.
Its a fad diet. Just jumping on the bandwagon like every other fad diet before it.
So with you following every latest fad diet out there why are you just like any other middle aged fat bloke and not the most jacked motherfucker going around.