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The true measure of performance
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WarbyD
Cant Squat Kunce
So you would say the 50kg kid that can do pullups until the cows come home, but barely pull his dick past horizontal, stronger than the fat fucker who can pull 200 but couldn't do a pullup without a forklift to assist?
I personally would say deadlift is the best test of "absolute strength".. Although I do also agree with 0ni and co regarding performance measures being sport specific
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For sports were you have to run around pull ups are a good test of relative strength. If you cant do pull-ups you are too fat, weak or both.
Goosey
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I think a good well rounded course of exercises will improve a players the level of strength, but more importantly reduce the likelyhood of recieving an injury in training and game day.
increasing the strength of an athlete in the gym will not make them a better player to their specific sport.
It's almost impossible to measure power.
One example could be a man that squats 1.5 times his bodyweight for twenty rep's could have amazing ability to squat, but have weak quad strength.
another example, the bench press had been the measure of strength for many years and still is for many sporting codes, but that ability to bench large numbers seldom relates to the players ability on the field.
increasing the strength of an athlete in the gym will not make them a better player to their specific sport.
It's almost impossible to measure power.
One example could be a man that squats 1.5 times his bodyweight for twenty rep's could have amazing ability to squat, but have weak quad strength.
another example, the bench press had been the measure of strength for many years and still is for many sporting codes, but that ability to bench large numbers seldom relates to the players ability on the field.
spartacus
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yes, sb, that is why power test should always be basic to reflect multitude of training programs.
Even then, they often don't mean much.
However, Calvin Johnson, incredible power and incredible athlete (3.5m standing long) and 195cm and 110kg. I suppose freaks have both: great specific skills and great athletic and strength power.
Even then, they often don't mean much.
However, Calvin Johnson, incredible power and incredible athlete (3.5m standing long) and 195cm and 110kg. I suppose freaks have both: great specific skills and great athletic and strength power.
Goosey
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I've stated this previously, that, all things being equal, a skilled boxer will more often than not beat a "stronger" boxer with less skill.
Again, "stronger" is difficult to measure, unless you have tools to isolate muscles to test isometrically at certain points of the muscles ROM.
Again, "stronger" is difficult to measure, unless you have tools to isolate muscles to test isometrically at certain points of the muscles ROM.
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spartacus
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yes, but all fair dinkum sports must and do strive for some effective power tests measures.
big three tests for me if I was a sports coach, outside specific lifts or sports, would be overhead shot for pure power regardless of bodyweight, and standing long and/or standing vertical.
big three tests for me if I was a sports coach, outside specific lifts or sports, would be overhead shot for pure power regardless of bodyweight, and standing long and/or standing vertical.
Goosey
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Yeah, "effective" is the key word.
at the moment, all we have is what's called "progressive resistance".
Squatting 100kg x 10
if that player is squatting 150 x 10 three months down the track, you would think that player is stronger, flexible and ultimatly more mobile, which, at the end of the day is what is wanted...to be able to extract the raw material, to make better the player in the given sport, in training and ultimatly game day?
But first, the skill must be there to start with.
Just my thoughts.