Educated advise needed

jockey said:

Question for Oni if I may?
Did I read somewhere in another post that you were/are a professional cyclist?
I don't really know much about the sport but from having watched bits and pieces on TV it would appear that the ideal body shape would be lean.
Is it safe to assume therefore that strength and endurance would be a cyclists best friends?
If so eating numerous small meals would be more suitable than fewer larger meals yes?
That said, how did you create enough hunger to enable you too stick too that type of routine?
What "supplements" did you use?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
Cheers

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I competed in cycling but was not a professional
Strength and anaerobic threshold are what you need to train. Aerobic / endurance will just happen from practising the sport. Like most football players... what is going to serve them better getting stronger and doing intervals or running laps? It's the former
Meals makes no difference
You'd be surprised how little calories the human body needs when gaining strength is not a primary concern
A-50 was very popular so was hGH. Also synthetic cannabinoids were very good for endurance. Albuterol was also popular. Pretty much everything that was out your system fast really

Hey Oni,
Thanks for the reply.
HGH is super expensive isn't it?
For curiosities sake I might google A-50 as I have no idea what that is.
Is it true that synthetic products like HGH/ GHRP etc tend to have far less nasty side effects then the oil based products that are so popular with gaining mass?
Cheers

jockey said:

Hey Oni,
Thanks for the reply.
HGH is super expensive isn't it?
For curiosities sake I might google A-50 as I have no idea what that is.
Is it true that synthetic products like HGH/ GHRP etc tend to have far less nasty side effects then the oil based products that are so popular with gaining mass?
Cheers

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Two sorts of hormones; fat based (steroids) and amino based (peptides).
Fat based hormones have the majority of the side effects but also the greatest impact on strength. Testosterone, dianabol, A50 (anadrol), estrogen etc.
Peptide hormones are good for recovery and will build muscle and you will lose fat but don't have as big an impact on strength. IGF-1, insulin, hGH, GHRP etc. They typically have little to no side effects in normal doses but also carry the biggest risk with overdose. You will not overdose on testosterone you will just have a very bad time. Insulin overdose will kill you

hGH in England was 160GBP for 100ui which is considerably cheaper than you will find in Australia. You're not allowed to talk about (Australian) prices on the board

Thanks again Oni.
Also thanks for the heads up about not talking prices.
Cheers

If you were prescribed androgel previously your testosterone levels must have been very low. they are probably even lower now and it could explain your weight and appetite issues.

You should get another blood test done before dabbling in peptides and what not.

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Hey jockey.... How many calories do eat a day?

What's a typical days meals for you?

If you can't stomach eating extra, have you tried taking a couple of protein shakes a day in between meals to increase calorie intake ?

Or change your diet ?

Hey folks,
Thanks for the comments.
Having never been a breakfast eater I tend to drink a lot of those up and goes in the morning.
Lunch is often 1/4 or 1/2 of a bbq chook and a small seafood salad (though if it's the 1/2 chook I don't have the salad).
Dinner is often steak or fish with veggies.
I do actually try to eat right but my issue is more with lack of appetite then anything else.
Lex I have done the protein shakes and must admit to enjoying them. Might be time to try again.
I think one of my biggest problems is impatience. I'm the type that needs to see results quickly or I become unmotivated quickly.
I've worked in property sales for pretty much my entire working life so I'm always on the go and often under a lot of pressure, so stress is a big factor in my life which no doubt doesn't help.
Sjay I am hoping to get in to see my Doc next week and will definately discuss with her the option of getting my testosterone levels checked again.
And lastly Nazzy just out of curiosity are you calling me a knob? lol

Your a knob cause a sub 70kg poster suggests drug regime and you think its genius meanwhile a host of 80-100kg posters give constructive advice and all you got is excuses.

You know why you're small, its because you are piss weak mentally.

High pressure job, what a fucking joke you got nothing mate.

Eat right and exercise 6-8 hours a week.

Brick said:

Your a knob cause a sub 70kg poster suggests drug regime and you think its genius meanwhile a host of 80-100kg posters give constructive advice and all you got is excuses.

You know why you're small, its because you are piss weak mentally.

High pressure job, what a fucking joke you got nothing mate.

Eat right and exercise 6-8 hours a week.

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basically this ^

but if he really is a 50kg male then i reckon hes vomitting his meals. Stopping that will be best start to gains.

jockey said:

Hey folks,
Thanks for the comments.
Having never been a breakfast eater I tend to drink a lot of those up and goes in the morning.
Lunch is often 1/4 or 1/2 of a bbq chook and a small seafood salad (though if it's the 1/2 chook I don't have the salad).
Dinner is often steak or fish with veggies.
I do actually try to eat right but my issue is more with lack of appetite then anything else.
Lex I have done the protein shakes and must admit to enjoying them. Might be time to try again.
I think one of my biggest problems is impatience. I'm the type that needs to see results quickly or I become unmotivated quickly.
I've worked in property sales for pretty much my entire working life so I'm always on the go and often under a lot of pressure, so stress is a big factor in my life which no doubt doesn't help.
Sjay I am hoping to get in to see my Doc next week and will definately discuss with her the option of getting my testosterone levels checked again.
And lastly Nazzy just out of curiosity are you calling me a knob? lol

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No its just a play on words...

Your concentrating on the wrong thing here...

It's your food choice that is the issue... If you can only eat small meals then you need to increase the calorie density of the food you do get in...

A half a chicken no skin has around 400 calories... You need to eat more.calories not.food... So choose foods with more calories....

4 tablspns of peanut butter would be up around 400 calories... Plus 2 slices if bread 160 calories plus large glass of chocolate milk 500 calories and you would be eating over 1000 cals just eating a peanut butter sandwich with milk......

Some sound advice right here.

jockey said:

Mate I had bloods done a couple of years back in regards to my testosterone levels (afraid I can't quote the stats/results), but based on the results they put me on some testosterone cream which proved to be a complete waste of time.

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G'day Jockey,

If the doctor prescribed Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) then you must be clinically low in this essential hormone. At 40 years of age you are certainly not alone in being testosterone deficient, but I'm suspecting it's been a life-long situation given your ultra-light bodyweight and poor appetite. By cream I assume you mean Testogel 50mg. How long did you give it before deciding it was a waste of time? Six months? A year? Did you apply it every morning to clean, dry, hairless skin in a thick layer giving it a chance to dry thoroughly before dressing? Did you go back to your GP to have bloods done again and, if still low, discuss alternatives to Testogel (e.g. fortnightly injections of Primoteston 250mg)? Testogel absorption is notoriously variable. Did you also down 3-4 weight gain shakes a day between meals whilst on the TRT?
I was once a 55kg 16 year old of 178cm height and desperate to bulk up. But I had the hugest appetite imaginable. So I ate 10-12,000 calories a day. I'm not exaggerating. And trained religiously. I read everything I could get my hands on about bodybuilding. At the age of 21 I won my first competition at a body weight of just 65 kg. Changing God's blueprint for one's body takes determination and time. Taking the step of asking advice, even at this late stage in your life, is admirable, but you will be bombarded by misinformation in an internet forum. Go back to your GP, get a referral for an endocrinologist, see a nutritionist and engage a personal trainer each week. Think in terms of six month intervals before you start looking for progress. It's entirely do-able.
Peptides are too expensive, potentially illegal and not necessary until you're hitting natural plateaus after several years of solid growth.
And be careful who you listen to when it comes to bodybuilding forums. Fucking synthetic cannabinoids! What morons there are online!

Hi Oldmanmuscle,
Thank you for your constructive advice.
I have made an appointment for Thursday to see my Doc and I will definately discuss the options you have suggested.
Too the others who made comments which aren't so constructive I would say don't be too quick to judge. Comments such as those made by Oldmanmuscle were the reason I joined here in the first place and Wingnut I don't vomit up my food, that's bulimia which I can assure you is not my issue.
The reason I was asking for info on peptides is because I was looking for something which would hopefully show me positive results and thus keep me motivated.
I have taken on board the positive comments I have received and can clearly see that I was on the wrong path.
I live in a smallish country town and am not sure if there is a dietition here, but will do some investigating and go from there.
Thanks again Oldman muscle.
Cheers,

Protein

Sorry Oldmanmuscle,
One more question if I may?
Would you recommend Calcium Caseinate or Micellar Casein as appropriate sources of protein? Or normal Whey powder?
Cheers,
PS- Nazzy I didn't thank you for your advise so cheers mate much appreciated.

jockey said:

Sorry Oldmanmuscle,
One more question if I may?
Would you recommend Calcium Caseinate or Micellar Casein as appropriate sources of protein? Or normal Whey powder?
Cheers,
PS- Nazzy I didn't thank you for your advise so cheers mate much appreciated.

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They do different jobs. You want a blend of different proteins as this mimics real food much better. I do two scoops of whey isolate, a scoop of casein, a scoop of hydrolysates, some leucine, some coconut oil and a scoop of sugar. This mimics milk really well but has none of the downfalls of milk that come from homogenisation and pasteurisation. It also works out cheaper than milk however is not as insulinigenic so if you're bulking you can add more sugar and leucine or mix it with milk to being with. Or just drink milk, it really is fucking good even when homo and pasteurised. If you can get raw milk then even better. I mean we have evolved to love the taste of milk and we evolved for milk to make us grow as fast as possible- that's it's job. You really can't get better than raw milk.

Fuck yeah, milk

Thanks Oni.
Thinking I might have a mix like you have but definately with milk.
Sounds like I can't go wrong with that.
Cheers

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