High intensity training over str, for muscle gains.

[pumpiniron]

The weight needs to be heavy, heavy enough to allow yourself to perform the rep's you have set for yourself, the movement needs to be *fast on the positive and twice as slow on the negative.

Pretty simple

Exactly mate.

[pumpiniron]

You are fucking kidding me right. Are you even reading my posts.

I did read ur posts, mate. p.s i also suggest u read part 2.

[Bazza20]

Mate u said ur oppinion and thats cool, i dont wanna argue with you, this thread will probly be shutdown like last one. Just let people read the info.

Lol. You really don't get it do you. What ever method you use, high reps, super slow reps ect you need to progress with it in some way. This does not necissairily mean more weight, which you seem to be getting confused on, but you have to get stronger in some way. No one gets bigger by not progressing or going backwards unless they up the drugs.

[pumpiniron]

Lol. You really don't get it do you. What ever method you use, high reps, super slow reps ect you need to progress with it in some way. This does not necissairily mean more weight, which you seem to be getting confused on, but you have to get stronger in some way. No one gets bigger by not progressing or going backwards unless they up the drugs.

Yer ur 100% right, U have to progress, which means more weight, higher reps, less rest between sets. If your getting weaker, chances are your losing muscle, but like i said training with high intensity doesnt mean ur lifting *light* it just means ur training way harder.

Like he said train for development and str will come, he mentioned somewhere that most pro bodybuilders didnt write down what they lifted in a workout, they didnt give a fuck.......... as other people write down every set and reps they do for how much weight and then next week try and improve on that > that is training for str. which means there testing there str in the workout, as with high intensity training u dont even think about the weight or how much ur lifting, ur only goal is to go in the gym and demolish ur muscles and walk out.> not( im gonna try and lift more then last week)

AGAIN hes talking about what is the best motor unit recruitment to breakdown muscle fibres and that is training lighter with more reps and shorter breaks is much better for physique enhancement then heavier loads with longer breaks.

[Franco]

Nice article, well written. Basically he is just saying that one way is more effective when the goal is muscle size, not that training for strength is not effective at all, just not as much.

I still think there is plenty of value to writing down your session lifts, if only to remember what body groups / exercises I am up to.

[pumpiniron]

Nice article, well written. Basically he is just saying that one way is more effective when the goal is muscle size, not that training for strength is not effective at all, just not as much.

I still think there is plenty of value to writing down your session lifts, if only to remember what body groups / exercises I am up to.

Thanx mate, glad you actually understand what the article is telling us.

[Bazza20]

I love how someone can have virtually zero actual experience but pay for some Internet coaching and in a couple weeks be an expert on all things training and diet by just requrgitating a few articles.

What pro BBs do is of little relevance to how most of us beginner to intermediate trainers should train. Saying someone new to build muscle should be training with advanced techniques like the pros do is just as stupid as having a beginner copy an elite powerlifter and a couple sessions in be doing reverse band benching to boards.

[DKD]

Riveting.

[pumpiniron]

I love how someone can have virtually zero actual experience but pay for some Internet coaching and in a couple weeks be an expert on all things training and diet by just requrgitating a few articles.

What pro BBs do is of little relevance to how most of us beginner to intermediate trainers should train. Saying someone new to build muscle should be training with advanced techniques like the pros do is just as stupid as having a beginner copy an elite powerlifter and a couple sessions in be doing reverse band benching to boards.

Lol dude im not calling myself an expert, i just posted the article up for people to read. Nor am i forcing people they should employ these methods> i Have just posted the article as people might find this a good read, also if u read part 2 he (scott abel) has tons of studies to back his theories up. If the way u train works for you bazza, then by all means keep doing what ur doin buddy .
But if u disagree with scotts methods, thats fine.. it doesnt change the fact that he has trained tons of champions using these methods and turned average people into people with ripped to the shithouse pysiques.

[NightFallTech]

Anecdotally... i've found over 15 years of training off and on... i respond much better to higher volume at moderate weight than low volume at near my maxes (in terms of changing my physique)

(of course, when you stop for a year ever 6 months and eat chinese every night, none of that matters ... but i do find, for me, Volume is important. (of course, lifting weights i can do 30 reps of doesn't seem to do much of anything other than help with fat loss)

I'm talking rank amateur here of course, but after my own experiences, i just don't know that rippletoe has all the answers if the goal is muscle rather than strength. (particularly for those such as me starting from 'big and fat' rather than skinny)