High intensity training over str, for muscle gains.

[pumpiniron]

Heard all this shit before and he makes the same mistakes as others do. He tries to disregard strength by comparing strength levels and size of different lifters. Doesn't work that way, but if an individual increases there strength in someway chances are they will get bigger. He also makes the mistake of using 1RM as the only form of strength.

Fact is no one gets bigger by progressively getting weaker over time. You need to get stronger over time, that doesn't necessarily mean 1rm strength, there are plenty of other areas of strength to develop.

People read this shit to justify curling 5kg dumbbells and squatting 20kg saying strength doesnt matter. Have a look at all the pro BBs none of them would be weaker than when they first started lifting. They will have all progressed a shit load since they started.

I said i wouldnt argue with people but i think u missed the point, he didnt say get (weaker to get bigger) he meant train harder by using less weight and shorter rests between sets.......... An example of someone training for str would do 1 set of 5 reps, then rest 3 minutes to get 100% str back to do it again..... using lighter weights doesnt mean ur getting weaker, it means ur muscles are getting fatigued cause of the short breaks and its all there able to handle. like he said heavy doesnt mean how much weight is on the bar, heavy is how much tension the muscle is under.

[pumpiniron]

Bazza mate what ur saying is correct.. but i think u misunderstood the whole article - ur not getting weaker ur just training with lighter weights for more reps with way shorter breaks , aka only 1 minute break instead of 3 minute breaks. Isnt the whole point of going to the gym to break down the muscle fibres and then go home to repair them?

Ur training to breakdown these muscle fibres as best u can so you can go home and repair them, ofcourse there gonna get stronger.... The article just meant that testing ur str in workouts for pysique training doesnt recruit and breakdown these muscles fibres as high intensity training does, Lighter weights with higher reps and short breaks between sets.

[adamklam]

Bazza missed the whole point. ur not getting weaker ur just training with lighter weights for more reps with way shorter breaks, aka only 1 minute break instead of 3 minute breaks. Isnt the whole point of going to the gym to break down the muscle fibres and then go home to repair them?

but you're still getting stronger...

same weight, reps, sets but shorter rests, means you are stronger and better conditioned than before.

[Bazza20]

I said i wouldnt argue with people but i think u missed the point, he didnt say get (weaker to get bigger) he meant train harder by using less weight and shorter rests between sets.......... An example of someone training for str would do 1 set of 5 reps, then rest 3 minutes to get 100% str back to do it again..... using lighter weights doesnt mean ur getting weaker, it means ur muscles are getting fatigued cause of the short breaks and its all there able to handle. like he said heavy doesnt mean how much weight is on the bar, heavy is how much tension the muscle is under.

You totally missed my point. I said you have to get stronger in some way. Wether that is doing same weight with, shorter rests, slower reps, more sets more reps ect or by lifting more weight you still have to get stronger in some way. So yes increasing strength is important despite what your boyfriend says.

[Bazza20]

but you're still getting stronger...

same weight, reps, sets but shorter rests, means you are stronger and better conditioned than before.

Exactly. You are still getting stronger.

[Goosey]

What's str?

[pumpiniron]

You totally missed my point. I said you have to get stronger in some way. Wether that is doing same weight with, shorter rests, slower reps, more sets more reps ect or by lifting more weight you still have to get stronger in some way. So yes increasing strength is important despite what your boyfriend says.

To be on the same page, i am talking about bodybuilding and not powerlifting u know this? And obviouslly ur gonna get stronger if you put on muscle, The message out of this is train hard to break down these muscle fibres, and ur muscles will regrow bigger and stronger, aka recruiting the muscle fibres so u can break them down, which is done best with high intensity training, training to failure for lighter weights for higher reps with much shorter breaks rather then testing ur str and resting longer perioud.

But if u think this is untrue, thats ur oppinion... good for you for having one .

[Bazza20]

To be on the same page, i am talking about bodybuilding and not powerlifting u know this? And obviouslly ur gonna get stronger if you put on muscle, The message out of this is train hard to break down these muscle fibres, and ur muscles will regrow bigger and stronger, aka recruiting the muscle fibres so u can break them down, which is done best with high intensity training, training to failure for lighter weights for higher reps with much shorter breaks rather then testing ur str and resting longer perioud.

But if u think this is untrue, thats ur oppinion... good for you for having one .

You are fucking kidding me right. Are you even reading my posts.

[Goosey]

The weight needs to be heavy, heavy enough to allow yourself to perform the rep's you have set for yourself, the movement needs to be *fast on the positive and twice as slow on the negative.

Pretty simple

[pumpiniron]

Mate u said ur oppinion and thats cool, i dont wanna argue with you, this thread will probly be shutdown like last one. Just let people read the info.