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    Some say machines don't biuld muscle and only barbells can achieve this.

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    Both do, barbells are just better. Machines can have their place though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dave View Post
    Both do, barbells are just better. Machines can have their place though.
    Thanks Dave

    But what makes barbells better?
    And what place does machines have?

    Sorry for the question, but this is all I get when I ask the question.


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    Most people agree to using freeweights for your first 1.5-2 years of training then you can start bringing other things in.

    I do 5x5 and do 3x8 incline smith instead of 3x8 dips.. got a real problem with my chest and my bench isn't going up anytime soon and it's really been helping with that. I also like to do my barbell rows in the smith machine as of late after weighted chins. Some people swear by hammer strength incline press as a chest builder

    I don't think it should be a mainstay of your routine but they are very, very useful. When I am preparing for a cycling competition I will ditch squats in favour of leg press as it's actually BETTER at strengthening the right RoM than squats are (for cycling)
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    Anything which can stress and overload your muscles, combined with a suitable diet, can build muscle.

    Anyone who says machines don't build muscle and only barbells do, is wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hulk View Post
    Anything which can stress and overload your muscles, combined with a suitable diet, can build muscle.

    Anyone who says machines don't build muscle and only barbells do, is wrong.
    This.

    Look at how big MB is, don't think he's done squat or deadlifting in a long time.

    Dude is still jacked though.
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    machines and free weights can be used for muscle hypertrophy as long as your adding more load each session. Alot of bodybuilders use both in their training to hit every muscle.

    basic knowledge -
    muscles grow in response to the degree of loading placed upon them. So, in reality it doesn’t really matter how the loading is placed on the muscle just as long as it is sufficient to stimulate the muscle to be active. If muscle hypertrophy is your only concern it probably doesn’t make a big difference if you use machines or free weights to achieve this goal






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    There has been studies done to show that free weights in strength/athletes are more beneficial.

    - Most people don’t realize that your strength level is not just determined by how big you muscles are, but also by your nervous system. Your nerves adapt to resistance training just like your muscles do. Their structure and function change to allow you to lift more weight.
    There are some studies that indicate that strength gain due to free weight training is more beneficial to the performance of daily tasks or athletic activities as well.
    - Free weights involve free-form which requires you to use more muscles for a given exercise. For example squatting with a barbell requires you to balance the weight on your back, to balance yourself (so you don’t fall over) and thus requires a lot more muscle activation than a machine exercises. Improvement in bone mineral density has also been
    shown to be greater with free weight training6. These studies indicate that there might be some additional benefits in using free weight exercises over machines.
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    My take on it is pretty much what Trentzore has basically stated

    Free weights enable you to use a more natural range of motion, this brings in the stabilising muscles etc.

    Machines lock a certain motion into place, that is why its so easy to notice the difference between a well designed peice and a pore one.

    Both will overload the muscle, but in the end, free weights are a better option for most as you get a better bang for your buck, this equation works for actual money spent, and the exercise itself being performed.

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    machines have their place. I like doing hamstring curls on the machine. I like leg extensions on the machine. Im sure the shoulder press machine would be good. All machines have their place.
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    if your training at home and starting out its better to use free weights in terms of cost savings and space

    1. machines cost alot more in the long run to purchase and maintan.
    (cables/pulleys all wear out over time and a badly designed one will snap.. One of those home gym stations or wtf they call it on infomercials)
    2. Take up more space.
    3. Some are limited to how much weight can be used.
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