Should inject it instead.
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Test Booster Trial - anyone interested?
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Should inject it instead.
Lol. You sure. There have been plenty of studies done on varying effects of placebo and how it works. Also how to design experiments so they are placebo controlled. Probably stick to a topic you have at least a little knowledge on.
Neddysmith
Standard kunce
Exactly, should have got bloods done prior to taking and got bloods once completed the cycle, that way you should be easily be able to tell if there has in fact been an increase or not.
It's because it doesn't matter.
I didn't say it definitely was a placebo effect just that with a single person taking a sup you can't say it is or it isn't.
Example. You have a headache. You take a panadol and it goes away. How do you know the headache wouldn't have gone away on its own? You don't.
Also when taking supps especially herbal type supps. You don't even know if what it says is in the bottle is actually in there. In a recent test on a lot of herbal supps they didn't even include any of the herb labeled on the bottle.
Headley
BigRed Kunce
Maybe they already did?
Getting blood tested is easy peasy.
Perhaps ON were after some real world trials on peoples moods rather than proven statistics and numbers garnered from clinical trials?
Neddysmith
Standard kunce
Real world trials on peoples moods????? People wake up every day in a different mood regardless if they are taking certain supps or not, can imagine that would prove or disprove anything......IF bloods had already been done then that should have been stated.
Davepuppies
Puppy Kunce
Isnt that phosphatidylserine?
Wicked Supplements EndoAmp it's been proven in 3 or 4 human trials now to reduce cortisol by 39% compared to PLACEBO!!!
(Capital letters not intended for you Jungnaut)
Davepuppies
Puppy Kunce
Is that based on saliva testing, urinalysis or serum?
By by the way I don't doubt the effectiveness of your core ingredient of Phosphatidylserine in your endoamp, just curious how you got the 39% measured.
This is one of the main ingredients in Wicked Supplements EndoAmp:
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JISSN | Full text | The effects of phosphatidylserine on endocrine response to moderate intensity exercise
Methods
10 healthy male subjects participated in the study. Each subject was assigned to ingest 600 mg PS or placebo per day for 10 days using a double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover design. Serial venous blood samples were taken at rest, after a 15 minute moderate intensity exercise protocol on a cycle ergometer that consisted of five 3-minute incremental stages beginning at 65% and ending at 85% VO[SUB]2 max[/SUB], and during a 65 minute passive recovery. Plasma samples were assessed for cortisol, growth hormone, testosterone, lactate and testosterone to cortisol ratio for treatment (PS or placebo).
Results
Mean peak cortisol concentrations and area under the curve (AUC) were lower following PS (39 ± 1% and 35 ± 0%, respectively) when compared to placebo (p < 0.05). PS increased AUC for testosterone to cortisol ratio (184 ± 5%) when compared to placebo (p < 0.05). PS and placebo supplementation had no effect on lactate or growth hormone levels.
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some more you can look into:
13. HORMONAL EFFECTS OF PHOSPHATIDYLSERINE DURING 2-WKS OF INTENSE WEIGHT TRAINING [Annual Meeting Abstracts] Fahey, T. D.; Pearl, M. California State University, Chico
14. The effects of soy phosphatidylserine on cortisol, growth hormone and testosterone response to moderate intensity exercise. Starks, et al. University of Mississippi
19. Blunting by chronic phosphatidylserine administration of the stress-induced activation of the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis in healthy men. Monteleone et al. Eur J Clin Pharmacol 1992, 42(4):385-388
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JISSN | Full text | The effects of phosphatidylserine on endocrine response to moderate intensity exercise
Methods
10 healthy male subjects participated in the study. Each subject was assigned to ingest 600 mg PS or placebo per day for 10 days using a double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover design. Serial venous blood samples were taken at rest, after a 15 minute moderate intensity exercise protocol on a cycle ergometer that consisted of five 3-minute incremental stages beginning at 65% and ending at 85% VO[SUB]2 max[/SUB], and during a 65 minute passive recovery. Plasma samples were assessed for cortisol, growth hormone, testosterone, lactate and testosterone to cortisol ratio for treatment (PS or placebo).
Results
Mean peak cortisol concentrations and area under the curve (AUC) were lower following PS (39 ± 1% and 35 ± 0%, respectively) when compared to placebo (p < 0.05). PS increased AUC for testosterone to cortisol ratio (184 ± 5%) when compared to placebo (p < 0.05). PS and placebo supplementation had no effect on lactate or growth hormone levels.
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some more you can look into:
13. HORMONAL EFFECTS OF PHOSPHATIDYLSERINE DURING 2-WKS OF INTENSE WEIGHT TRAINING [Annual Meeting Abstracts] Fahey, T. D.; Pearl, M. California State University, Chico
14. The effects of soy phosphatidylserine on cortisol, growth hormone and testosterone response to moderate intensity exercise. Starks, et al. University of Mississippi
19. Blunting by chronic phosphatidylserine administration of the stress-induced activation of the hypothalamo-pituitary-adrenal axis in healthy men. Monteleone et al. Eur J Clin Pharmacol 1992, 42(4):385-388
So if I was going to try it myself how am I supposed to tell my cortisol has dropped 39% besides doing a blood test? I mean I am interested and all, but I like some form of measurement please.
all of the notable benefits are on the products web page
Headley
BigRed Kunce
Why in fucks name was the word placebo even mentioned in this thread? (rhetorical question btw)
The sky isn't falling today.