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    I wonder how many people actually stick to a strict supplement plan, i know i last about 8 days then just either forget or cbf.





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    "Stimulant base 'supplements' are certainly not a long term product that should be used. CNS down-grade only causes a number of other hormonal problems and the like."

    Max,

    Could you comment a litlle further on CNS down grade??? I assume you are reffering to the Central Nervous System....

    Would be interested to hear your thoughts on what effects short term versus long term usage will have on a person?

    DMAA is possibly the culprit here? Or is Caffiene also problematic???


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    Q: When does supplement intake become excessive?
    A: When you read too much t-nation!

    On a serious note, I too would like to hear Max's thoughts on CNS downgrade. I train early morning and the pre-workout supps (with stims) have helped, so I'd be interested to learn more about CNS down grade.


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    If you don't know exactly why you're taking something and can justify why you're using it then I would call it "excessive"

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    NS & M75, I'll give you a quick run down and keep it as simple as possible becuase it can get very 'technical'.

    Yes I was referring to Central Nervous System. Over stimulation can cause general CNS functional downgrade. Meaning it simply does not function at optimum levels.

    Look at it like this, when you first take a 'stimulant' it blows your mind. Then over time (if used regularly) it 'wears' off and you need to take more to get the 'same' effect. It is not that people get 'used' to it, it is simply that CNS function has suffered a downgrade. The fact that the CNS requires more 'stimulation' to function at the desired level. It may not be 'noticeable' in day to day life function for some people, yet others may show greater symptoms. Fatigue, change in sleep quality and amounts, general energy levels etc.

    CNS function is a controlling factor in all human processes. So from a even just a purely body composition point of view two things that come to mind are protein synthesis and testosterone production. You get a downgrade in CNS function you also effectively get a downgrade in testosterone production and protein synthesis. The 2 main factors that training 'stimulates' on it's own! So I look at it as nearly defeating the purpose of training. Yes I realise that maybe a little over the top, but it takes away from your end results.

    Typically caffeine is generally ok for long term use and in decent amounts (150-250mg a day is fine for most people). It is only when it is taken in excess can it have negative effects on CNS function. Something I normally don't focus on and can be taken daily without much problem.

    Then there is the DMMA factor. The only structural difference between methylhexanamine and amphetamine is that methylhexanamine lacks the phenyl or benzene ring which is present in all phenethylamine derivatives, including all amphetamines, containing only 4 of the 6 carbons of the phenyl ring. The difference between geranamine and propylhexedrine is that is lacks two carbons that create a cyclohexyl ring in propylhexedrine and a methyl group on the amine group. Despite these differences, it has a similar mode of action, being a stimulant and having norepinephrinergic effects. Now that is an 'ingredient' that I do not suggest any of my clients use as it can cause larger and more profound negative effects in shorter periods of time. Daily intake is something I certainly would not suggest.

    I hope that helps explain things

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    Well- Max, I started reading but by the time I got to the second line I found myself scratching out my eyes, just sayin...


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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyMitchell View Post
    Well- Max, I started reading but by the time I got to the second line I found myself scratching out my eyes, just sayin...
    Hahahaha Andy. I tried to make it 'simple'


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    Are you using Wikipedia as reference for real or as a joke to see it nobody notices?

    I've been an on again/off again stim taker and I build up a tolerance very quickly, I have been off pre-workouts for months now and within 2 weeks I am already up to 6 heaped scoops of the Bulk Nutrients product, I think I'm going to have to just go without for much longer and only take it when I really need a lift.

    It can't be good for you.
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