Anyone dealing with depression of anxiety?

n00bs said:

Read that book and fix your problrems...

GO to amazon now and buy it.

If u dont like to read go find the audio book online.

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hmmm I do like reading but audio books are good too. Where do you suppose I could find it?

kindred said:

The book looks interesting I may read it thank you.

I would like to add I have sought help from doctors, counsellors psychologists and psychiatrists all told me to suck it up. What am I to do? You tell me.

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You really need to find a doctor that will listen and refer you to a specialist.

Read that book if you want to and if it helps all the better but just a warning the author is regarded by some as a bit of a quack. So treat the information given with a bit of skepticism. But you really have to go see a specialist.

Hope you get better.

Bazza20 said:

You really need to find a doctor that will listen and refer you to a specialist.

Read that book if you want to and if it helps all the better but just a warning the author is regarded by some as a bit of a quack. So treat the information given with a bit of skepticism. But you really have to go see a specialist.

Hope you get better.

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Wether people think someone is a "quack" doesnt change the fact that if something works it works..

Anyway, kindred you have low tets taht causes depression in itself you probgably have an underactive thyroiud as well also = depression.

Go see a gp thye will put you on antidepressants without looking at the other issues. Make sure you see someone who knows what the fuck they are tlaking about and dont just hand SSRI's SNRI"S MAOI

Noobs. It seems that the author is known for his loose understanding of science and the promotion of quackery. Lets face it he has been on oprah the promoter of all things quackery.

Kindred needs some real help and just warning him about the author.

Bazza20 said:

Noobs. It seems that the author is known for his loose understanding of science and the promotion of quackery. Lets face it he has been on oprah the promoter of all things quackery.

Kindred needs some real help and just warning him about the author.

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That book and its quackery with loose science has helped me more in 12 years then as you owuld understand it to be "Proper science"..

But hey all hail the medical establishment as they know all and can never be wrong about anything..




Im not saying kindred doesnt need someones help. Im just saying to fix the issues he has that causes his depression before he goes smashing pills forever making those other problems worse.



This is taken from another forum i am a member off. A body builder with a life long list of troubles.


http://ausbb.com/general-health-wel...-depression-journey-patients-perspective.html


People dont need double blind placebo studies if somethign works for them. Thats just how it is... But apparently if you cant explain 110% of somethign regardless of what it does then it is irrelivent.

For example if i cure cancer tomorrow but cant explan how then i havnt cured cancer even though i have,,

Logic?

Noobs. I told him to think about the information given skeptically especially when we are dealing with a problem as severe as depression and especially when the information given is not quite proven.

Bazza20 said:

Noobs. I told him to think about the information given skeptically especially when we are dealing with a problem as severe as depression and especially when the information given is not quite proven.

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Taken from my effexor booklet..

EFFEXOR XR is thought to work by a dual mechanism of
action increasing the levels of two of these chemicals, serotonin and
norepinephrine. The commonly used SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake
inhibitors) increase only one. Serotonin and norepinephrine are thought to
regulate mood and may affect motivation and sense of well-being

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Now what was that about not quite proven? We dont even know what these disorders are... But these drugs help we think this way.

I find it ironic that something that works cheaply is mocked because of its unproveness yet when their is big pharma backign something everyone is brainwashed into thinking we have the answers to all of lifes problems...

A simple explanation from a clinical level is: Depression is anger turned inward. From a spiritual level, Depression can be seen as the mind wanting to, but is unable to, latch on to something that made it happy in the past or something new that may make it happy. Ever wondered why people become addicted to porn? It's because the mind found pleasure with it and therefore compels the body and consciousness to go there again, and again, and again.

Some people confuse sadness with depression. Sadness is temporary whereas depression can be debilitating. it is important to understand what you are truly feeling.

I believe the worst thing a person can do is try to bury or pass-off sadness, depression, anxiety, anger, and stress. You must face what is preventing you from becoming calm and content, otherwise you will never emerge from the darkness.
Never accept "suck it up", or "get over it". Whoever says those things does not understand the reality of the nature of existence.
I could go on for a very long time, but to help, check out this site Audio Dharma - Gil Fronsdal's Dharma Talks
It is a Buddhist talks repository. Don't be scared away by the B word. It's not aimed at converting anyone nor trying to convince you what ever religion (or lack of) you belong to is wrong. That's not what we're about. These talks are there to help you. They helped me a lot.
I am happy to help others suffering from life's challenges. We do it without applying guilt. Under no circumstance should you accept guilt.
Always know this: you are never alone.

The bloke has thyroid and hormonal imbalances that could be the sole cause of his depression and altered mental state.

I have done years of talking it did fucing nothing? You know what worked? Removing the bacterial infection in my gut and fixing my hormones...

kindred said:

Nothing numbs the pain I feel on a daily basis. I cry everyday and think about death multiple times a day.

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Hello Kindred.
What is it exactly that troubles you about death? Is it your own mortality? Has some one close you you died recently? If you're not willing to divulge this openly, then you are welcome to PM me.

I agree noobs. Don't get brainwashed either by "big pharma" or by a bloke selling you his book.

You need to identify the root cause of what is troubling you. Going on a holiday is not the answer. That is a distraction. You will not find your answer by running from your suffering. You must face it without fear and with an open mind.

Bazza20 said:

I agree noobs. Don't get brainwashed either by "big pharma" or by a bloke selling you his book.

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I agree, but kindred doesnt have to buy his book he can torrent the audio book for all i care..

There is alot of good info in it not all 100% i agree. But neither is "take this pill and tell me about your day"

There is ALOT of evidence to support the gut brain connection. They are even trialing new anti anxiety drugs that are anti microbial. But until they can sell a drug for the problem the medical community may not recognize the problem until a sale rep comes around and says he try this..

What I have worked out is, if your not happy doing something or if things/something is making you unhappy dont do it anymore....work out what it is and sort it out.

I hate hearing ppl go oh I hate my job, I hate doing this and that...well dont do them...simple as that - if its money that is the problem then think of the big pic is money more important than you feeling good...

If its a girl or girlfriend - then really just get over it ....


Etc etc etc - at the end of the day work out what the prob is and fix it...I know with depression/anxiety that there may not be a problem as such i.e work could be pretty bad but to you it could be the worst thing in the world....think it comes down to being happy within yourself and sorting out what makes you happy and what doesn't.

Fuck all this medical shit for a moment and just think about things.

Kindred go to the dr and get your thyroid checked..

ft3
ft4
rt3
tsh


Adrenals
dhea-s
cortisol


And oestrogen

oestradiol (e2)

Powersport. Your talking about being unhappy. True depression is something different and much more serious. It's not just because you have a shitty job.

Its ture the mind can effect the body..

But more often then not the body is effecting the mind.

Kindred start a new log. with your diet 100% of everything that goes in your mouth. There are alot of things that can go wrong with l-tryptophan to serotonin. Alot of them can be fixed by diet or supplementation if need be.

But like i said go get those tests.

Bazza20 said:

Powersport. Your talking about being unhappy. True depression is something different and much more serious. It's not just because you have a shitty job.

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I would say it would be a very fine line mate - when do u have depression and when are u just unhappy? What is the difference? ppl that are unhappy with life, work, money etc etc can feel like they dont wanna live, dont wanna do anything etc etc....but then again ppl with depression feel the samethings????

I feel that depression/unhappiness is something that has been created by todays society - there is to much pressure on us these days, more money, better job, supporting family, going to school, going to uni etc etc etc etc - 50,60,70,80, 100 + years ago you had none of this and we as ppl were alot happier....if ppl took a sec to look at the big pic and took time to live a simple life then we would be alot better off.

Not always powersports..

Depression is there when nothing is wrong.. Its there for no reason and you dont know what about.

I can understand that and know that but at the end of the day I still think that something needs to flick the switch on this and it not just come down to say a hormone inbalance....

I think it would be a very good idea for him to go to the doctor to get things checked out because if it is as simple as just a hormone inbalance then give him some drugs and he will be sweet...I guess? or is that the case....do u really want ppl treated like that? for me no not really - there has to be an underlining problem that is causing unhappiness....

I know depression can "just be there" but why? - if its thyroid probs or hormone probs etc then its not really depression is it? its a thyroid or hormone imbalance.....

Its very easy for ppl who are unhappy or have depression to just go to the doctor and go on diff drugs and live their life like they did before...but that just masks a problem....ppl need to not go on drugs/supplements etc and work everything out within them self.