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nazzysmith
kuncesmith
Question?
Bar position at full contraction....
Should it touch
- above nipple
- at nipple
- below nipple
????
Does it matter whether you have the hands pronated or supine?
Goosey
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Well ,there pretty good questions.
Your focus is full contraction of the shoulder blades, your arm is just the link.
Try to image the resistance being behind the elbow, rather that at the bar.
Hand facing, or parallel.
It's not easy to find a 700mm parallel bar lying around a gym floor.
Do you use a machine, pulley or barbell?
nazzysmith
kuncesmith
Lat pull down bar can be used on the cable row.... So got plenty of grip width to work with...
When I have done them in the past I have used a 45 degree elbow angle hands pronated....
I find high elbows uncomfortable on the shoulders... Kinda like upright rows...
I've mainly been using small v bar with neutral grip pulled to the stomach... I always pin my shoulders back at the top of this movement... Gives me a mega lat pump!!!
But I may be neglecting my upper back...
When I have done them in the past I have used a 45 degree elbow angle hands pronated....
I find high elbows uncomfortable on the shoulders... Kinda like upright rows...
I've mainly been using small v bar with neutral grip pulled to the stomach... I always pin my shoulders back at the top of this movement... Gives me a mega lat pump!!!
But I may be neglecting my upper back...
S
Stiffy
Guest
Freudian slip Goosey?
nazzysmith
kuncesmith
Goosey
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DKD
Private Dancer
It's what I read somewhere, can't remember if it was a couple of different sources saying the same thing (was a while ago). I gave it a crack with the narrower grip for quite a while, hoping to get that long sweep of the lats I'd seen in a few guys, but it did fark all for me.
nazzysmith
kuncesmith
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Stiffy
Guest
Yeah that narrow grip works the lower lats more idea, I read that in a Weider publication years and years ago to. Also read that reallllllly wide pull ups help to broaden the lats/shoulders.
Can I assume that Weider publications have been responsible for alot of Broscience?
Can I assume that Weider publications have been responsible for alot of Broscience?
nazzysmith
kuncesmith
No idea.... Bro science pops up in the oddest of places.... It's everywhere....
Inclines for upper chest
Declines for lower chest
Eat 6 meals a day
Must drink protein shake immediatly before and after workout
Don't eat carbs at night
Etc etc....
jj80
Member
Bit OT but what in your opinion works best?
bams_101
New member
"It appears that the portion of the pectoral muscle recruited during the bench press is dependent on the direction relative to the trunk in which the muscle must pull the humerus"
Glass, S.C, and T. Armstrong. Electromyographical activity of the pectoralis muscle during incline and decline bench press. J. Strength and Cond. 11(3): 163-167. 1997.
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I've said this before, not broscience that Incline bench does use Upper Pec to a greater extent.
I can aslo see a difference in recruitment patterns between narrow grip chins/pulldowns and wide grip pullups/pulldowns. The former is primarily shoulder extension (can be hyperextension if you go chest to bar), the latter shoulder adduction and downward scapular rotation.
But changing the sweep/shape of a muscle... Broscience.
Glass, S.C, and T. Armstrong. Electromyographical activity of the pectoralis muscle during incline and decline bench press. J. Strength and Cond. 11(3): 163-167. 1997.
T NATION | Inside the Muscles: Best Chest and Triceps Exercises
T NATION | Building a Bodybuilder Chest
I've said this before, not broscience that Incline bench does use Upper Pec to a greater extent.
I can aslo see a difference in recruitment patterns between narrow grip chins/pulldowns and wide grip pullups/pulldowns. The former is primarily shoulder extension (can be hyperextension if you go chest to bar), the latter shoulder adduction and downward scapular rotation.
But changing the sweep/shape of a muscle... Broscience.
Goosey
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Here we go.
Yes there could be some merit to activating the upper, middle and lower sections of the pec by the way the fibres attach and combine into one tendon, but there will always be involvement of the other sections.
Conceivably you could, (I doubt it) or does it mean you just reduce the weight in your hand due to an awkward angle?
The same holds true for the lat.
Yes there could be some merit to activating the upper, middle and lower sections of the pec by the way the fibres attach and combine into one tendon, but there will always be involvement of the other sections.
Conceivably you could, (I doubt it) or does it mean you just reduce the weight in your hand due to an awkward angle?
The same holds true for the lat.
I like the way you're thinking here and I think it may be possible to affect the "sweep" because the structure consists of more than one muscle. If a different movement varies the recruitment pattern then it could result in a variation in the relative hypertrophy experienced in the lat and the teres major and result in a change in the sweep. Any opinions on that as a theory?