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PowerBuilder · 12-02-2012, 07:34 PM

Are humans alone or are aliens avoiding us?
source The Times of India

If alien life really exists, they would have found humans by now, but consciously avoiding us for unknown reasons, a new study has suggested.

Researchers, who calculated the time a society would take to muster up resources and know-how to travel to another world, found that alien civilizations starting from the oldest stars in the galaxy would have had more than enough time to reach Earth.

We are either alone, or they are out there and leave us alone," lead study author Thomas Hair, a mathematician with Florida Gulf Coast University in Fort Myers, was quoted as saying by Discovery News. Light travels at about 186,000 miles per second.

Figure another 500 years to build new ships, set out again, and so on and so on, and the calculations show that civilizations starting out from the oldest stars in our galaxy would have had epochs of time to reach us by now. So where are they? "They've either passed us by, or they stay around their home star systems and contemplate their navels," Hair said. There could be several reasons why we are not listed in intergalactic Yelp.

Perhaps most important is that we don't have anything aliens need. "Any ancient civilization is probably not biological . They don't need a place like Earth. They don't need to come here and steal our water. There's plenty of it out in the outer solar system where the gravity is not so great and they can just take all they want," Hair said.

Or perhaps modern-day extraterrestrials are following routes laid out long ago, all of which bypass Earth, he added. Hair presented his research at the Mathematical Association of America in Boston recently.

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callan · 12-02-2012, 07:37 PM

they heard we have crossfit.

why is it that everyone assumes aliens would be an advanced race? what if their like space cave men? to stupid to build ships n shit

chocchillimango · 12-02-2012, 07:45 PM

Ok from a scientific perspective, this whole story is a crock of shiiite. so many sci-fi induced assumptions about what an alien race/lifeform would be like.
Crazy story...ignore it.
(qualified astrophysicist)

PowerBuilder · 12-02-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chocchillimango

Ok from a scientific perspective, this whole story is a crock of shiiite. so many sci-fi induced assumptions about what an alien race/lifeform would be like.
Crazy story...ignore it.
(qualified astrophysicist)

I'm a budding particle physicist....please elaborate.

I am quite certain that alien life forms have existed at least once before. It's happened once....why not again? Al you need are the right conditions. Sure it has to be pretty 'right'...since there's a few bill' stars out there....I think it's likely.

If there more advanced than us....talking with us would be like talking to our ancestor Lucy (australopithecus). Pretty hard to communicate due to the difference in knowledge and understanding. If less advanced they would t have radio and we are wasting our time.

oldcorollas · 12-02-2012, 08:10 PM

how do i get that kind of funding?

took me a little while to find him.. was not on list of presenters at the conference.. but on full prgram

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9:15AM
(1534)
Spatial dispersion of interstellar civilizations: a site percolation model in
three dimensions.
Andrew D Hedman* and Thomas W
Hair, Florida Gulf Coast University
(1077-90-2299)

AMS Session on Undergraduate Research, V

and that Thomas dude didn't even present it.. but do we hear about Hedman? nooo

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1077-90-2299 Andrew D Hedman* (adhedman@eagle.fgcu.edu) and Thomas W Hair.
Spatial dispersion of interstellar civilizations: a site percolation model in three dimensions.A site percolation model is presented that simulates the dispersion of an emergent civilization into a uniform distribution of stellar systems. This process is modeled as a three-dimensional network of vertices within which an algorithm is run defining both the number of daughter colonies the original seed vertex and all subsequent connected vertices may have and the probability of a connection between any two vertices. This algorithm is then run over a wide set of these parameters and for iterations that represent up to 250 million years within the model's assumptions. (Received September 22, 2011)

edit: PB it was a couple of undergrad maths students, setting up a model with very little (if any?) scientific basis... they probably just used random assumptions for how quickly certain things would be developed..
2012 :: Joint Mathematics Meetings

chocchillimango · 12-02-2012, 09:25 PM

oh i'm not disputing the potential existence of life elsewhere in the universe!

But the level of conjecture and fanciful nature of that article grates on my science nerves LOL.

Admin · 12-02-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by callan

why is it that everyone assumes aliens would be an advanced race? what if their like space cave men? to stupid to build ships n shit

making the assumption that out there is more then one alien race , stats would have to say that alteast one race out there could be more advanced than us

callan · 12-02-2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Admin

making the assumption that out there is more then one alien race , stats would have to say that alteast one race out there could be more advanced than us

but what if we ARE that advanced race?
surprised gasp - aliens avoiding earth?

air travel, space travel, wireless shit, internet, tv, ships, phones, satellite, electronics etc. we got some pretty advanced stuff...

oldcorollas · 12-02-2012, 10:02 PM

mainly because of the relative ages of the different galaxies and shit..
they figure if it took us X million or billion years to evolve to where we are now.. and some other places have been around for a few more million or billion years.. they have a higher probability of being ahead of us in evolutionary terms...

but hey, we are pretty cool

and someones gotta be first I suppose..
01acv12 040 - aliens avoiding earth?

wingman · 12-02-2012, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerBuilder

We are either alone, or they are out there and leave us alone," lead study author Thomas Hair, a mathematician with Florida Gulf Coast University in Fort Myers, was quoted as saying by Discovery News. Light travels at about 186,000 miles per second.

Figure another 500 years to build new ships, set out again, and so on and so on, and the calculations show that civilizations starting out from the oldest stars in our galaxy would have had epochs of time to reach us by now. So where are they? "They've either passed us by, or they stay around their home star systems and contemplate their navels," Hair said. There could be several reasons why we are not listed in intergalactic Yelp.

Perhaps most important is that we don't have anything aliens need. "Any ancient civilization is probably not biological . They don't need a place like Earth. They don't need to come here and steal our water. There's plenty of it out in the outer solar system where the gravity is not so great and they can just take all they want," Hair said.

Or perhaps modern-day extraterrestrials are following routes laid out long ago, all of which bypass Earth, he added. Hair presented his research at the Mathematical Association of America in Boston recently.

So they're saying since those solar systems are billions of years older than us it's feasible that they would have had time to develop intergallatic travel. This sounds reasonable to me. However, the idea of them 'avoiding' is probably moreso due to there being infinite objects in the universe rather than us having / not having something they want.

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Originally Posted by callan

they heard we have crossfit.

12-02-2012, 07:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
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oldcorollas is confuzzled.. Join Date: Oct 2011 Gender: Training Exp:Just Started Muscle Goals:Build Muscle Posts: 838	mainly because of the relative ages of the different galaxies and shit.. they figure if it took us X million or billion years to evolve to where we are now.. and some other places have been around for a few more million or billion years.. they have a higher probability of being ahead of us in evolutionary terms... but hey, we are pretty cool and someones gotta be first I suppose.. __________________ 2011 BW82ishkg,19%BF. (after 2 months) SQ:87x5, DL:116x5,120x1, BP:82x1 2012 fail so far..