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lazy
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It started when I just finish deadlifting, it got worse during the day, just wondering if anyone had a similar problem.
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lazy
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Not too sure, it was during dead lifts, 90kg became light so I started doing it faster, I think this was the cause of this, I may have bent my back.
It slowly got worse and worse. I might see a physio if it wont got away by saturday.Im thinking of doing some light stretches.
The sore is very low down the spine.
It slowly got worse and worse. I might see a physio if it wont got away by saturday.Im thinking of doing some light stretches.
The sore is very low down the spine.
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lazy
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It feels like the spine.
Kyle Aaron
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Then go straight to the physio.
If it involves muscle, you can afford to wait - they heal up fairly well. But tendons, ligaments and bones... and then the spine... I mean, you mess up an arm or a leg you can still do a lot, you mess up your back and you're stuffed.
If it involves muscle, you can afford to wait - they heal up fairly well. But tendons, ligaments and bones... and then the spine... I mean, you mess up an arm or a leg you can still do a lot, you mess up your back and you're stuffed.
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lazy
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I have arrange an apointment with the physio this sat, there appears to be swelling around the spine/gluteus.
I feel a bit better, it gets worse when im sitting down.
Pain itself is around the sides of the lower spine, sometimes its in the center of the lower spine area, I can't do hamstring stretches, anything that involves the hamstrings walking squating too low etc hurts. Testis hurt too, I guess they are all connected.
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lazy
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Doctor lingo
Partial sacralisation of L5
Central and left para-central disc protusion noted at the L4/5 level.
The quack himself told me that its normal for some people to have gap that big on L4/5 but to make sure he sent me to a specialist which im seeing tomorrow.
Partial sacralisation of L5
Central and left para-central disc protusion noted at the L4/5 level.
The quack himself told me that its normal for some people to have gap that big on L4/5 but to make sure he sent me to a specialist which im seeing tomorrow.
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Kyle Aaron
Active member
"Sacralisation", for those who don't know, means that the vertebrae are partially fused. The sacral and coccygeal parts of the spine - the lowest parts are actually vertebrae which are separate in children, and fuse as we grow up (otherwise we'd fall over when we tried to stand up).
C = cervical (neck), Th = thoracic, chest and upper/middle back, L = lumbar, lower back opposite abdomen.
Discs sit between the cervical, thoracic and lumbar vertebrae, basically as padding between them; if you have a partial fusion, scoliosis, lordosis or similar, then the vertebrae are a bit wonky and squash the discs on one side, maybe even making one pop out (herniation, painful).
In about 10% of the population, one or more of the lumbar vertebrae are partially or fully fused, too. Normally this requires no treatment. However, the partial fusion can push the disc out a bit between the sacral and lumbar vertebrae, or can make a larger gap between the bottom two lumbar vertebrae so that the disc jumps around a bit; because the bottom one is held down by its attachment to the sacrum, it makes a gap.
This can make some of the muscles of the lower back, hips and abs tight, and some loose, as the muscles try to pull everything together, but get stretched, and so on.
This is apparently what lazy has got. I dunno what his specialist will advise. Usually it's some light lower back strengthening exercises, things like the "bird dog" - get on all fours, point one arm forward and the opposite leg back, hold for ten seconds, change over, etc.
Quite treatable without anything dramatic or painful in most cases, as I understand it, but his specialist will have lots more to say. Thanks for sharing the cool pics with us, lazy
C = cervical (neck), Th = thoracic, chest and upper/middle back, L = lumbar, lower back opposite abdomen.
Discs sit between the cervical, thoracic and lumbar vertebrae, basically as padding between them; if you have a partial fusion, scoliosis, lordosis or similar, then the vertebrae are a bit wonky and squash the discs on one side, maybe even making one pop out (herniation, painful).
In about 10% of the population, one or more of the lumbar vertebrae are partially or fully fused, too. Normally this requires no treatment. However, the partial fusion can push the disc out a bit between the sacral and lumbar vertebrae, or can make a larger gap between the bottom two lumbar vertebrae so that the disc jumps around a bit; because the bottom one is held down by its attachment to the sacrum, it makes a gap.
This can make some of the muscles of the lower back, hips and abs tight, and some loose, as the muscles try to pull everything together, but get stretched, and so on.
This is apparently what lazy has got. I dunno what his specialist will advise. Usually it's some light lower back strengthening exercises, things like the "bird dog" - get on all fours, point one arm forward and the opposite leg back, hold for ten seconds, change over, etc.
Quite treatable without anything dramatic or painful in most cases, as I understand it, but his specialist will have lots more to say. Thanks for sharing the cool pics with us, lazy
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lazy
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Kyle: Spot on, specialist first asked me if I had neck pain which I reply "no", then he didn't seem too concerned, told me not to worry about this that some people have this and are perfectly fine and he doesn't have a problem with lifting weights as long as I use my lower back muscles and not my spine.
If I was using a perfect deadlift technic and this happened I would be worried but using 90kg and I was speed deadlifting so my technic quickly became sloppy, also I didnt warm up... but I learn from my mistakes.
If I was using a perfect deadlift technic and this happened I would be worried but using 90kg and I was speed deadlifting so my technic quickly became sloppy, also I didnt warm up... but I learn from my mistakes.
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Hubbo
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I had some lower back pain recently when doing Deadlifts too, but nothing as serious... I think more problem was form, all good now. I had my legs too straight and not really using them that much to lift the weight. Now I make sure I bend my legs more on the initial part of the lift.
NPR
Member
Doctor lingo
Partial sacralisation of L5
Central and left para-central disc protusion noted at the L4/5 level.
The quack himself told me that its normal for some people to have gap that big on L4/5 but to make sure he sent me to a specialist which im seeing tomorrow.
Its the disc bulge at L4/L5 that will be causing you the pain. You mucles will tense up like a rock to try and protect the injury, thats the pain you are feeling. Also it might be pressing on your sciatic nevrve give you pain anywhere from your glute to your callf.
I have exactly the same condition. It kept me out for the best part of 6 months. But I am now managing it and am back much stronger than before.
The fact you injured it doing 90kg deadlifts tells me you were rounding your lower back and that you have a weak core.
A few things I found helped me:
Massage when it went really bad
stretching hamstrings, glutes and hip flexors (this really helped, needs to be done regularly)
standing, hands on hips backwards bends
plenty of core work - front squats, ab wheel rollouts,
PROPER FORM ON ALL LIFTS
Dont worry you can come back from this injury. Just dont push it and take care of yourself.
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lazy
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Back still isn't 100%, last Saturday I was feeling great, I did SLDL on Sunday and I can’t do it with the same form I did before and hurt my back a bit, on Monday the pain came back (not as bad as before) and today I feel a little bit better. Might be going to the gym but wont be doing any form of dead lifting for a while, I can get away with squats.
Looking at other peoples forms on youtube I noticed that my SLDL form is too extreme, I lock my legs, as I am coming down ass out and head up all the way to the floor (plates) and sometimes I would stand on a block so the bar would go even further down on 90kilos. I was bending my back be somehow it wasn’t this that stuffed my back (but may have contributed towards it), it was normal dl’s with a fast and sloppy technic that did it. Now I can’t even do SLDL the way I did before (not that I want to). The correct technic for SLDL while slightly differs Dorian Yates bends is knees slightly and goes just a bit over the knee, not all the way down… well that will teach me.
Looking at other peoples forms on youtube I noticed that my SLDL form is too extreme, I lock my legs, as I am coming down ass out and head up all the way to the floor (plates) and sometimes I would stand on a block so the bar would go even further down on 90kilos. I was bending my back be somehow it wasn’t this that stuffed my back (but may have contributed towards it), it was normal dl’s with a fast and sloppy technic that did it. Now I can’t even do SLDL the way I did before (not that I want to). The correct technic for SLDL while slightly differs Dorian Yates bends is knees slightly and goes just a bit over the knee, not all the way down… well that will teach me.
NPR
Member
Depending on how bad the protrusion is you wont be 100% for a while. As I said I was off for months with the same injury.
I would stay clear of anything the stresses the lower back for a while, at least until you have seen an expert.
On that topic find an expert who lifts or they willl just do what they did with me and say never lift again.
Read my previous post on what can help.
I would stay clear of anything the stresses the lower back for a while, at least until you have seen an expert.
On that topic find an expert who lifts or they willl just do what they did with me and say never lift again.
Read my previous post on what can help.
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lazy
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Sure thing Coach,
Quick question, how do you know when you can dl again? is it when the pain is completly gone?
Quick question, how do you know when you can dl again? is it when the pain is completly gone?