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Has anyone here used any of the primordial products yet.
I now have them in stock at decent prices.
There is plenty of reviews out there on other forums with great feedback so far.
Have a look at www.onlinenutrition.com.au

 
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The main ones we have are:

Sustain alpha, transdermal roll on.
phyto-testosterone
endo amp
toco8

 
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All of there product ingredients are backed by alot of science, if you search the ingredients on the net you will see plenty of science which supports them.
There is about 30 science sitations per product.
Even one of the ingredients in phyo-testosterone they are looking and ways of testing for it to ban it for Olympic use.

 
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Wheres 1-Tren?
AZZA

Haha i wish mate it contains DHEA its a banned substance in Australia.
If you do have a look at our prices and the US prices primordial sells it for you will see we are almost the same.
We are now the Australian Distributor for Primordial so our prices are equal to there's at the time of purchase.

For instance if you buy from primordial direct they will slug you with big shipping costs and your credit card will incure international money transfer fee's.

So if you buy something form them that cost $45USD and works out to be $65AUS thats what our price is just a conversion of their price at the time we got the stock in.

 
I knew that about the Dhea, i tried getting some from Eric at Primordial in the states to review on The Iron Dungeon.org but no go due to the Dhea.
AZZA
 
I knew that about the Dhea, i tried getting some from Eric at Primordial in the states to review on The Iron Dungeon.org but no go due to the Dhea.
AZZA

Its a shame our country are such pricks when it comes to things like this.

 
They are just trying to protect the ill informed community.

Yeah DHEA isnt too serious i dont think it even shuts down natural testosterone.
It was often used in tribulus stack when it wasn't a problem to bring in.


 
Yeah DHEA isnt too serious i dont think it even shuts down natural testosterone.
It was often used in tribulus stack when it wasn't a problem to bring in.


DHEA is very mild compared to other compounds in some pro-hormones but having said that can still be used for a unfair advantage in sports.
As a recreational bodybuilder i would like to have these choices. Bit like watching your super going down the toilet when its preserved. I know i could have done better if given a choice.
AZZA
 
No natural products cut it for a PCT. If you use drugs to build you will need drugs for PCT. ie, Nolva, Clomid etc and don't kid yourself that you don't.
 
No natural products cut it for a PCT. If you use drugs to build you will need drugs for PCT. ie, Nolva, Clomid etc and don't kid yourself that you don't.

As far as we know that is true.
BUT the science behind the ingredients of the products supports reason to beleive benefit in acheiving a similar goal.
100's of internet reviews also support it's use.

Spend the time to copy and paste some of the medjournal sitations into google on each of the ingredients and you will see what i mean.



Here are some of them for Sustain alpha:

[1]
Resveratrol, a polyphenol phytoalexin, possesses diverse biochemical and physiological actions, including estrogenic, antiplatelet, and anti-inflammatory properties. Several recent studies determined the cardioprotective abilities of resveratrol. Both in experiments (acute) and in chronic models, resveratrol attenuates myocardial ischemic reperfusion injury, atherosclerosis, and reduces ventricular arrhythmias. It appears that resveratrol-mediated cardioprotection is achieved through the preconditioning effect (the best yet devised method of cardioprotection), rather than direct protection. Thus, resveratrol likely fulfills the definition of a pharmacological preconditioning compound and gives hope to the therapeutic promise of alternative medicine.
Resveratrol in cardioprotection: a therapeutic pro...[Mol Interv. 2006] - PubMed Result
[2]
Estrogen plays a crucial role in the development of breast cancer, and the inhibition of estrogen synthesis has been an important target for the prevention and treatment of this disease. The rate-limiting reaction of the hormone biosynthesis is catalyzed by cytochrome P450 (CYP) 19 enzyme or aromatase. It has been of genuine interest to uncover an aromatase-inhibitory compound from a dietary source. Resveratrol is a polyphenolic compound that can be isolated from grape peel. Because of its structural resemblance to estrogen, resveratrol's agonistic and antagonistic properties on estrogen receptor have been examined and demonstrated. In the present study, the effect of resveratrol on the expression and enzyme activity of aromatase was investigated. By assaying on MCF-7 cells stably transfected with CYP19 (MCF-7aro cells), resveratrol inhibited the aromatase activity with an IC50 value of 25µM. Kinetic analysis indicated that both competitive and noncompetitive inhibition might be involved. The administration of 10 nmol/l testosterone—a substrate of aromatase—produced a 50% increase in the MCF-7aro cell number. This cell proliferation specifically induced by testosterone was significantly reduced by 10µM resveratrol. In addition, 50µM resveratrol significantly reduced the CYP19-encoding mRNA abundance in SK-BR-3 cells. The transcriptional control of CYP19 gene is tissue specific, and promoter regions I.3 and II have previously been shown to be responsible for CYP19 expression in breast cancer cells. Luciferase reporter gene assays revealed that resveratrol could repress the transcriptional control dictated by the promoter regulation. The present study illustrated that pharmacological dosage of resveratrol inhibited aromatase at both the enzyme and mRNA levels.
The Red Wine Polyphenol Resveratrol Displays Bilevel Inhibition on Aromatase in Breast Cancer Cells -- Wang et al. 92 (1): 71 -- Toxicological Sciences
[3]
trans-Resveratrol was reported to have health benefits including anticarcinogenic effects and protection against cardiovascular disease. One of the mechanisms by which it exerts its action is through modulating the estrogen response systems. Because estrogen is involved in male reproductive biology, we investigated the effect of trans-resveratrol on testis and spermatogenesis. Adult male rats were divided into 2 groups. The treated group was administered by gavage 20 mg/(kg · d) of trans-resveratrol suspended in 10 g/L of carboxymethylcellulose for 90 d, whereas the control group received only carboxymethylcellulose during the same period. The relative weight of testes did not differ between the groups. However, the diameter of the seminiferous tubules was significantly reduced from 437.5 ± 0.1 µm in the controls to 310.9 ± 0.1 µm in the resveratrol–treated rats. This decrease was accompanied by a significant increase in tubular density, from 3.20 ± 0.18 in controls to 6.58 ± 0.18 tubules/mm2 in the treated group. Moreover, sperm counts were significantly greater in the resveratrol-treated rats (24.8 ± 3.30 x 107) than in the control group (14.1 ± 0.80 x 107), but sperm quality did not differ. Serum concentrations of gonadotrophins and testosterone were significantly higher in the resveratrol-treated group. We identified a novel activity of trans-resveratrol. The daily oral administration of this phytochemical to adult male rats enhanced sperm production by stimulating the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, without inducing adverse effects.
trans-Resveratrol, a Natural Antioxidant from Grapes, Increases Sperm Output in Healthy Rats -- Juan et al. 135 (4): 757 -- Journal of Nutrition (FULL MED JOURNAL)
[4]
We examined the effects of trans-resveratrol on male reproductive functions; ex-vivo penile erection and in-vivo sperm counts and quality. For the ex-vivo study, the relaxation effects of resveratrol on isolated New Zealand white rabbit corpus cavernosum, precontracted by phenylephrine (5x10(-5) M) were measured. The in-vivo study measured reproductive organ weights, blood testosterone levels, testicular histopathology, sperm counts, as well as the epididymal sperm motility and deformity of male ICR mice given an oral dose of resveratrol (50 mg/ kg) for 28 days. Resveratrol elicited a concentration-dependent relaxing effect on corpus cavernosum, leading to a median effective concentration (EC50) of 0.29 mg/mL. Repeated treatment with resveratrol (50 mg/kg) did not cause an increase in body weight, reproductive organ weight or testicular microscopic findings; however, resveratrol did elicit an increase in blood testosterone concentration, testicular sperm counts and epididymal sperm motility by 51.6%, 15.8% and 23.3%, respectively, without influence on sperm deformity. In conclusion, we propose that resveratrol has a positive effect on male reproductive function by triggering a penile erection, as well as enhancing blood testosterone levels, testicular sperm counts, and epididymal sperm motility.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...testosterone_levels_and_sperm_quality_in_vivo
[5]
Several naturally occurring and synthetic flavones were found to inhibit the aromatization of androstenedione and testosterone to estrogens catalyzed by human placental and ovarian microsomes. These flavones include (in order of decreasing potency) 7,8-benzoflavone, chrysin, apigenin, flavone, flavanone, and quercetin; 5,6-benzoflavone was not inhibitory. 7,8-Benzoflavone and chrysin were potent competitive inhibitors and induced spectral changes in the aromatase cytochrome P-450 indicative of substrate displacement. Flavones may thus compete with steroids in their interaction with certain monooxygenases and thereby alter steroid hormone metabolism.
Inhibition of human estrogen synthetase (aromatase...[Science. 1984] - PubMed Result
[6]
The present work is a mini-review of the author's original work on the plant Passiflora incarnata Linn., which is used in several parts of the world as a traditional medicine for the management of anxiety, insomnia, epilepsy and morphine addiction. A tri-substituted benzoflavone moiety (BZF) has been isolated from the bioactive methanol extract of this plant, which has been proposed in the author's earlier work to be responsible for the biological activities of this plant. The BZF moiety has exhibited significantly encouraging results in the reversal of tolerance and dependence of several addiction-prone psychotropic drugs, including morphine, nicotine, ethanol, diazepam and delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, during earlier pharmacological studies conducted by the author. In addition to this, the BZF moiety has exhibited aphrodisiac, libido-enhancing and virility-enhancing properties in 2-year-old male rats. When administered concomitantly with nicotine, ethanol and delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol for 30 days in male rats, the BZF also prevented the drug-induced decline in sexuality in male rats. Because the BZF moiety isolated from P. incarnata is a tri-substituted derivative of alpha-naphthoflavone (7,8-benzoflavone), a well-known aromatase-enzyme inhibitor, the mode of action of BZF has been postulated to be a neurosteroidal mechanism vide in which the BZF moiety prevents the metabolic degradation of testosterone and upregulates blood-testosterone levels in the body. As several flavonoids (e.g. chrysin, apigenin) and other phytoconstituents also possess aromatase-inhibiting properties, and the IC50 value of such phytomoieties is the main factor determining their biochemical efficacy, by altering their chemical structures to attain a desirable IC50 value new insights in medical therapeutics can be attained, keeping in view the menace of drug abuse worldwide.
Drug/substance reversal effects of a novel tri-substituted benzoflavone moiety (BZF) isolated from Passiflora incarnata linn.: a brief perspective
[7]
Excessive long term consumption of alcohol and nicotine have serious detrimental effects upon the libido, fertility, and sperm count in male species. The present work describes the beneficial effects of a novel tri-substituted benzoflavone moiety (BZF) isolated from Passiflora incarnata Linneaus, the phyto-chemical isolation, spectroscopic elucidation, and multifarious biological activities of which have recently been reported by the authors. The BZF moiety has been reported to increase libido, sperm count, and sexual fertility in 2 years old male rats at 10 mg/kg, po dose, in the one of our previous studies. Presently, the BZF moiety has been evaluated against chronic ethanol- and nicotine-induced decrease in libido, sexual fertility and mating efficiency in healthy male rats. The male rats were given ethanol (3 g/kg, po) A , nicotine (2 mg/kg, sc) N, alcohol-nicotine combinations (AN) alone, and also with 10 mg/kg po dose of BZF (concurrent administrations). These treatments were given for 30 days. At the end of treatments, it was observed that rat groups A, N, and AN had no libido (evaluated by mounting behaviour), declined sperm count, and consequently no mating efficiency or fertility (upon pairing with pro-estrus female rats). However, the rats which were given 10 mg/kg BZF along-with nicotine (NP group), alcohol (AP group), and alcohol-nicotine combination (ANP) exhibited significant libido-oriented mounting behaviour, increased sperm count (significantly comparable to the control group), and increased fertilization potential. The rats having decreased sperm count, libido and fertilization potential due to chronic administration of alcohol, nicotine and alcohol-nicotine combinations, i.e., rats of A, N, and AN groups were again subdivided and were given 10 mg/kg BZF for 7 days. This treatment confirmed that BZF speeds up the restoration of sexuality in rats upon cessation of the administration of substances like alcohol, nicotine and alcohol-nicotine combinations, which have severe detrimental effects upon male sexuality, fertility and vigour. BZF, the strongest inhibitor of aromatase enzyme, when administered concurrently with substances like alcohol and nicotine restores sexual virility, libido and vigour in male rats by maintaining the blood-testosterone levels to be high.
ScienceDirect - Life Sciences : Prevention of chronic alcohol and nicotine-induced azospermia, sterility and decreased libido, by a novel tri-substituted benzoflavone moiety from Passiflora incarnata Linneaus in healthy male rats
[8]
Flavone and isoflavone phytoestrogens are plant chemicals and are known to be competitive inhibitors of cytochrome P450 aromatase with respect to the androgen substrate. Aromatase is the enzyme that converts androgen to estrogen; therefore, these plant chemicals are thought to be capable of modifying the estrogen level in women. In this study, the inhibition profiles of four flavones [chrysin (5, 7-dihydroxyflavone), 7,8-dihydroxyflavone, baicalein (5,6,7-trihydroxyflavone), and galangin (3,5,7-trihydroxyflavone)], two isoflavones [genistein (4,5,7-trihydroxyisoflavone) and biochanin A (5,7-dihydroxy-4-methoxyisoflavone)], one flavanone [naringenin (4, 5,7-trihydroxyflavanone)], and one naphthoflavone (alpha-naphthoflavone) on the wild-type and six human aromatase mutants (I133Y, P308F, D309A, T310S, I395F, and I474Y) were determined. In combination with computer modeling, the binding characteristics and the structure requirement for flavone and isoflavone phytoestrogens to inhibit human aromatase were obtained. These compounds were found to bind to the active site of aromatase in an orientation in which rings A and C mimic rings D and C of the androgen substrate, respectively. This study also provides a molecular basis as to why isoflavones are significantly poorer inhibitors of aromatase than flavones.
Molecular basis of the inhibition of human aromatase (estrogen synthetase) by flavone and isoflavone phytoestrogens: A site-directed mutagenesis study.
[9]
We investigated the structure-activity relationships regarding vascular and antioxidant activity of a range of synthetic flavonols and flavones with 3 or fewer hydroxyl (OH) or methoxyl substitutions. The relaxant responses and ability of the flavones/flavonols to inhibit phenylephrine (PE)- and Ca-induced contraction was determined in rat isolated thoracic aorta. The ability of these compounds to reduce the level of superoxide and preserve endothelium-dependent relaxation in the presence of oxidative stress was also examined. Four compounds impaired contraction to PE or Ca, in the potency order 3'-hydroxyflavonol>3',4'-dihydroxyflavonol>7,4'-dihydroxyflavonol>3',4'-dihydroxyflavone. Flavonol, 3',4'-dimethoxyflavonol, and flavone were significantly less active. The flavonoids caused concentration-dependent reductions in superoxide produced by rat aorta in the presence of NADPH. The most active compounds, 3',4'-dihydroxyflavonol and 7,4'-dihydroxyflavonol, preserved endothelium-dependent relaxation in the presence of oxidative stress caused by pyrogallol or xanthine/xanthine oxidase. The results indicate that the catechol group is not critical for vascular relaxant or antioxidant activity, but rather, the important determinants for higher vascular and antioxidant activity of these compounds are the presence of a C3 OH group and the total number of OH substituents, respectively. These results have allowed the identification of the structural characteristics that promote vascular and antioxidant activity of flavonols, which may lead to the development of agents useful in treatment of cardiovascular disease.
Vasorelaxant and antioxidant activity of flavonols...[J Cardiovasc Pharmacol. 2005] - PubMed Result


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