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Admin
22-11-2013, 10:11 AM
AUSTRALIA has been warned of the urgent need to tackle the growing obesity crisis after we ranked as one of the fattest nations in the developed world. The latest figures from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation shows Australia has jumped from fifth to fourth fattest nation with 28.3 per cent of the adult population obese.
We are just behind the US (36.5%), Mexico (32.4%) and New Zealand (28.4%).
"Obesity is a leading cause of diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Governments need to invest in cost-effective strategies to reverse the obesity epidemic," the organisation says in a new report on health in developed countries.
The OECD's Health at a Glance report shows Australia has the seventh highest life expectancy in the developed world.
Life expectancy at birth now stands at 82 years in Australia; almost 2 years above the average life expectancy of the 34 OECD countries.
We are in the top five countries for survival after a cancer diagnosis or a heart attack, proof of our high quality health system.
The could be because our use of cholesterol busting drugs is the highest in the world with 137 in every 1,000 people using them.


Australia's health at a glance: We're fat, depressed and battling cholesterol | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/australias-health-at-a-glance-were-fat-depressed-and-battling-cholesterol/story-fneuz9ev-1226765535472)

Goosey
22-11-2013, 10:25 AM
How many of those that live beyond 70 are a helpless burden to their familis rather than useful members of society?

Goosey
22-11-2013, 10:32 AM
In no period of history have we been so concerned about the subject of diet and nutrition
Yet if we accept the premise that what we eat determines our health, then we must add the observation that in no period of our history have we eaten so poorly.

Is this a coreect statement?

If so, what is it, we are doing wrong?

lkt004
22-11-2013, 10:42 AM
The "western" style of diet is the cause of a huge percentage of our current lifestyle diseases, take a look at the 7 countries study, lyon heart study, nurses health study etc. that look at huge portions of varying populations over long periods of time.

lkt004
22-11-2013, 10:45 AM
Also look at framhingham heart study,

Grunta
22-11-2013, 10:58 AM
Hey, I'm not depressed.

Goosey
22-11-2013, 04:24 PM
Also look at framhingham heart study,

You might get a kick out of this book.

Nourishing traditions

Nourishing Traditions: The Cookbook that Challenges Politically Correct Nutrition and the Diet Dictocrats: Sally Fallon, Mary Enig: 9780967089737: Amazon.com: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Nourishing-Traditions-Challenges-Politically-Dictocrats/dp/0967089735)

She talks about farmingham

Legion
22-11-2013, 10:33 PM
I think its the quantity that's the issue. We're a country with a high availability of food and calories and we basically consume whatever is put in front of us.

Bazza20
23-11-2013, 05:50 AM
People blame the western diet. I would say its more because food is readily available here and people do minimal physical activity.

Eat a bit less, move more, don't be so fat and watch most of the problems go away.

spartacus
23-11-2013, 07:20 AM
it should not be that hard to stay in shape with a bit of common sense; more exercise and generally eat healthy.

Most fatties I know are very good at eating high-density food which virtually everyone knows is not good for you, say chocolates and chips.

Having said that, I have to monitor my calorie intake to keep in shape, and I exercise quite a bit for someone with a sedentary occupation. Now I only need 3000 calories a day to gain weight slowly as have lost half a kilo per week on 2500 for past 8 weeks.

When a labourer, my natural food intake left me struggling to put on weight. Probably needed 4000-4500 just to maintain weight.

kaz
23-11-2013, 07:48 AM
Ive started tracking my activity and found I'm losing weight eating the same foods I was on what I'd normally call maintenance, and all Im doing is "not sitting down" except lunch and dinner.
I believe we have become a sedentary nation and don't think too much into food prep.

Bazza20
23-11-2013, 08:12 AM
I believe we have become a sedentary nation and don't think too much into food prep.

Agree. I downloaded a pedometer app for my iphone. Now farming isn't even anywhere near as physical as it used to be anymore but I am usually up around 30,000 steps every day, not including any extra exercise I do.

My missus did a pedometer challenge at work and some of the office girls were lucky to get 1000 steps a day. No surprise they are fat.

These same fatties say how lucky I am to have a fast metabolism. Luck has nothing to do with it.

People are pegging the blame on diets and certain foods but I would guess a huge part of it is we don't do the amount of activity we used to.

spartacus
23-11-2013, 08:26 AM
again, it is common sense: appropriate balance between exercise and diet.

I have seen plenty of fat labourers who pride themselves on proving their manhood by scoffing down burger after burger or pie after pie, not to mention their obligatory great levels of nightly drinking. Beauty Norm.

Bazza20
23-11-2013, 08:36 AM
again, it is common sense: appropriate balance between exercise and diet.

I have seen plenty of fat labourers who pride themselves on proving their manhood by scoffing down burger after burger or pie after pie, not to mention their obligatory great levels of nightly drinking. Beauty Norm.

That's the other side of it. If you have a reasonable appetite with the availability of food it pretty easy to down a few thousand calories over maintenance. Then people blame the foods.

Is the pie and burger at blame or is it the fact the bloke downs 3 pies and 3 burgers every day.

Also like I said physical jobs these days are no where as physical as they used to be. For example we are carting in hay at the moment. In my dads day it was all small square bales loaded and stacked by hand. Brutal work. These days you sit on your arse in an air con tractor lifting 1 ton+ of hay at a time. Then get annoyed when you have to get off the tractor to open a gate.

spartacus
23-11-2013, 08:39 AM
yes, nothing wrong with a good pie or burger, but plenty wrong with gluttony.

I agree with what you generally say with all food, nothing wrong with virtually any of them.

I eat small doses of chocolate and ice cream every day, and consistently lose weight.

DKD
23-11-2013, 09:11 AM
Some interesting discussion here. Technology marches on, as does time, for a never ending pursuit to make things better, make life easier, tasks more convenient.

It's vital for society that we have this continual pursuit, but the impact to the human body becomes more and more detrimental.

First world countries prosper socially, but physiologically they're regressing. Governments try and educate their ppl about the problem, but not enough are getting the message.

spartacus
23-11-2013, 09:18 AM
yes that is a good point.

we have more info out there, more info that is easily available say through the internet and even various tv health shows, yet we become fatter and fatter.

Sad really, as best things in life are often free and good health outcomes from exercise available to all, like going for regular walks in our beautiful country. I see all these expensive bike paths and walkways, but few are ever on them.

But now even many kids are consumed by internet games and so on, whereas we (as kids) were mostly on streets riding our bikes as kids.

I have a four year old (nearly five), and we just merely try and promote a balance. Fortunately she is quite lean (maybe too much), and she even asks for water at McDonalds (on our rare visits when she wants a toy).

DKD
23-11-2013, 09:30 AM
How long till those 2 wheel Segway things start to become more and more mainstream? Aren't the QLD cops using them? Just a matter of time till they take off and help worsen obesity problems.

spartacus
23-11-2013, 09:39 AM
yes good point. sometimes the supposed novel innovation brings more problems than benefits.

Humans are animals, and like all, need to exercise.

Yes, and I have long been amused by fat cops, they should have to pass a fitness test each year, or move to sedentary duties, albeit our's seem a lot fitter than those on COPS.

lex
23-11-2013, 10:19 AM
Lets see if some of the proposed changes to the health care laws make it through.

Some of them supposedly include allowing lowered premiums for fit healthy people, allowing health funds to direct members to preventative activities i.e fitness or gym course

But I don't like the government's idea of trying to copy the US system and making private insurance employer based.

Other problem with US system is over 30% of their population don't get access to health care

chocchillimango
23-11-2013, 03:17 PM
there is also the issue that cholesterol lowering drugs (statins) are widely over prescribed.

A lot of people taking them

a) don't need them/do not benefit from them at all and

b) have been prescribed them as a panacea to lifestyle changes.

easier to pop a pill than to get moving and eat better/less/whatever.

Seems people are generally much more sedentary and stressed. A nasty combo. Add in poor diet choices (whatever that might mean to an individual) and it's not pretty.

Grunta
24-11-2013, 09:22 AM
Another issue is that we as a society are now a lot wealthier, in the past only the rich could afford it get fat, for example, everyday middle class workers only ever got a hit of sugar as a special treat on special occasions, some never got to taste it.

Today as our general average wealth in western countries is higher then ever, everyone can afford to get fat. It will only get worse as we prosper unless awareness is increased.
It's already starting, local councils issue magnet food balance charts to stick on fridges, it's a small step, but in the right direction.

Bazza20
24-11-2013, 09:52 AM
Another issue is that we as a society are now a lot wealthier, in the past only the rich could afford it get fat, for example, everyday middle class workers only ever got a hit of sugar as a special treat on special occasions, some never got to taste it.

Today as our general average wealth in western countries is higher then ever, everyone can afford to get fat. It will only get worse as we prosper unless awareness is increased.
It's already starting, local councils issue magnet food balance charts to stick on fridges, it's a small step, but in the right direction.

In Australia it's the less wealthy that have higher rates of obesity.

But yes overall we are more wealthy and food is a lot cheaper.

Grunta
24-11-2013, 10:10 AM
Agree

Goosey
24-11-2013, 10:19 AM
It's a real problem.
Not only do we have this obesity problem but we also have the "skinny unhealthy".

I cannot see any solution for the future, it will get worse.

We are a society of wanting results now.
My daughter, who is a PT, tells me her customers are asking for diet advise, but not willing to pay for it.

Mow your own lawn
Polish your own car
Paint your own fence
Don't sit on the coach after a workout, move around.

These are just some of the things that need to be done.

Young blokes come on this forum and want to squat 200kg overnight with stupid looking diets and ideas, it's madness.

You build muscle by lifting a lot of weight for a lot of reps over a lot of years.

Darkoz
24-11-2013, 10:53 AM
The irony of modern society, we have more knowledge and information regarding our health and diet now than at any other time and yet we are at our fattest and unhealthiest than any other time.
It's a conundrum.

Grunta
24-11-2013, 11:13 AM
The irony of modern society, we have more knowledge and information regarding our health and diet now than at any other time and yet we are at our fattest and unhealthiest than any other time.
It's a conundrum.

True, but many will not look for this type of info.
I think it needs to be in your face to the point where it's hard to ignore.
Something similar to the effect of the anti smoking or drink driving adds, something drastic that will shock people into awareness.

Compared to many countries around the globe, life is good in Austalia, we have a whinge but we also have it easy here. It is this quality of life that make it so easy to shorten it.

Goosey
24-11-2013, 11:18 AM
The irony of modern society, we have more knowledge and information regarding our health and diet now than at any other time and yet we are at our fattest and unhealthiest than any other time.
It's a conundrum.

This is truly amazing.

And the answer is in there (your statement).

Don't think just do.

Darkoz
24-11-2013, 11:23 AM
I reckon it has to do with a few things
Information overload
The availability of food today
And the convenience of shops being open 7 days a week.

Bazza20
24-11-2013, 01:46 PM
I reckon it has to do with a few things
Information overload
The availability of food today
And the convenience of shops being open 7 days a week.

Agree. And people are lazy. Easier to just do nothing and blame your genetics or whatever for being fat.

Rugby88
25-11-2013, 08:00 AM
No studies need to be done to know we are a fat, lazy nation - it comes down to people being lazy, weak minded and bad information i.e low fat yogurt + a bowl of fruit = healthy - no it doesnt you might aswell eat a mars bar.

The biggest thing is simply being lazy and weak minded - I think alot of people deep down know even low fat yogurt and fruit isnt really the best but they will eat that to justifie what they are doing.

My diet isnt perfect but if I need to drop weight or whatever I can flick that switch and focus myself - I was 120kgs as a 14 yr old and on my own lost 40kgs in the off-season between rugby seasons from 14-15 - I went back to rugby training and no1 knew who I was...

I remeber rocking up and the coach saying hey whats your name and I laughed and he said whats your issue, do you want to do sprints? I said its Joel - he nearly shit himself....

I have bulked, I have cut - I have done everything in between - people need to grow some balls and focus themselves.

Australia as a nation is one of the softest in the world in alot of respects...

jamesyboi
25-11-2013, 08:06 AM
It's not hard to do something about it.

And the right way.

I think gastric bands etc should be banned.

Every healthy person starts out at a reasonable weight as a child. The ensuing years of stuffing there pie hole are what changes them to fatties. This is not limited to any race/sex or nationality.

Darkoz
25-11-2013, 08:07 AM
.........

- I was 120kgs as a 14 yr old ........

:eek: :eek:

Rugby88
25-11-2013, 08:19 AM
:eek: :eek:

I was a manchild hahaha

About 5'9-5'10 - 118-120kgs at 14 - U15 rugby season I was around 79-80 odd kgs

I remember I weighed myself at the starting point when I lost my weight - I could of been heavier than that at any given point - thats just the last heasiest weight I remeber - never weighed myself until I started dropping weight....

Took about 6 months - was doing 1,2,3 hour cardio sessions a day...

jamesyboi
25-11-2013, 08:26 AM
I have been anorexic (around 40 kg) at 5 foot 10

and super morbidly obese (175 kg ) at same height.

I laugh when people say "Oh, but I was born big" - yeah that's right every fat baby is over 100kg and mums survived the pregnancies somehow.


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Headley
27-11-2013, 03:02 PM
I think one general issue is that idle entertainment like a TV/PC is more interesting than people going out to do anything else