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Admin
23-06-2013, 09:19 AM
IT'S the latest fitness craze encouraging people to push their bodies to the extreme - with some men and women posting pictures of their bleeding and battered bodies as badges of honour on social-networking sites. Typically consisting of a hardcore 30-minute training session, the new "shock till you drop" CrossFit regime is all about using a combination of resistance, sprints, ropes, tyres, weights and rings.
And while CrossFit may seem too intense for people other than gym junkies and elite athletes, participation levels are on the rise, with almost 8000 people registered to compete for the Open Games this year.
World CrossFit Games competitor Chad Mackay, ranked second in Australia, said both men and women were giving the sport a go because of its focus on complete fitness.
"Working out is no longer about pumping up the mirror muscles," he said. "There's 10 domains of fitness that we work on coordination, balance, flexibility, endurance, stamina, strength, power, speed, agility and accuracy and we aim to eliminate any weaknesses.
"We want to be well rounded in all of those domains, not just really good at bench pressing or doing bicep curls."
Mackay, who will be running an open class at his CrossFit Active gym in Artarmon next Sunday, said it is often misinterpreted as only for elite athletes or fitness addicts.


"Anyone from age 15 to 95 can take part in CrossFit. Instead of jumping on a box, we might get you to jump across a line and back again. Instead of being made to do a pull up, we might get you on the rings doing a supported ring row. The sport is really scalable for any kind of ability. Everyone sees the hardcore stuff on the internet and they get a worried but there is something for everybody."
For Harriet Roberts, 21, more pain means more gain.
"I used to be a gymnast and competitive swimmer," she said. "I love competing and I heard about how much CrossFit hurt and how horrible it was but that is what competing is about, pushing yourself as hard as you can. When I stopped doing sport and stopped competing I needed something. I tried other sports but nothing hurt like this. Now it's like my drug."
She, along with friend Courtney Fitzharris, said the sport was also about breaking down the stereotypes that girls need to be skinny.
"Strong is the new skinny," Ms Roberts said. "I would rather be strong than skinny."
Trainer Luke Starr said there was also the community aspect which was attracting more people to the sport every year. "We train together as a group rather than just walking into a gym and plugging in your headphones and doing your own thing," he said.


Read more: No Cookies | thetelegraph.com.au (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/national-news/nsw-act/crossfit-craze-batters-aussie-devotees/story-fnii5s3x-1226668035641#ixzz2WzCzCAZH)

Bazza20
23-06-2013, 09:26 AM
Crossfit new??? Lol. It must have been around for about 10 years now.

While a lot of the shit they do is fucking retarded after watching some of the crossfit games on foxtel there are some bloody impressive athletes there.

The Hamburgler
23-06-2013, 09:48 AM
2000 I think the first kip fit gym opened

D1cko
23-06-2013, 10:33 AM
You have to admit though, thanks to crossfit, there are some fucking hot women around....

chocchillimango
23-06-2013, 10:44 AM
Of course, if it doesn't hurt, it's not doing you good. That's a bit tarded, no?

I really dislike the whole "strong is the new skinny".
Most women interpret that as "skinny but with abs".
not a win.

High Road
23-06-2013, 11:10 AM
I did Crossfit for about 5years, at the time I loved it, thought it was awesome, made me feel "elite". I still coach Crossfit classes (for free I might add), but I think it's stupid. Why? Because Crossfitters make it stupid.

CerealBombr
23-06-2013, 11:45 AM
You have to admit though, thanks to crossfit, there are some fucking hot women around....


haha! this. :D

Shrek
23-06-2013, 11:54 AM
Inb4 turns into hot xfit chic thread

siiiski
23-06-2013, 09:14 PM
My biggest hate about crossfit is the people. If someone does crossfit you're gonna know about it lol. That and kipping, so stupid to watch. That being said there are some beasts that do it. And I have a few friends who started and are now fucking strong.

But the places they go to are steering away from traditional non structured crossfit to a more structured strength and conditioning program.

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Admin
23-06-2013, 10:11 PM
My biggest hate about crossfit is the people. If someone does crossfit you're gonna know about it lol. That and kipping, so stupid to watch. That being said there are some beasts that do it. And I have a few friends who started and are now fucking strong.

But the places they go to are steering away from traditional non structured crossfit to a more structured strength and conditioning program.

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same can be said for someone that hits the gym , if they hit the gym you are going to know about it " i can squat bench and deadlift like a mofo "

siiiski
23-06-2013, 10:17 PM
Yeah I guess you're right, fair enough if they can squat and bench like a mofo, see so much BS on fb lol latest was a guy from ny old school doing quarter rep leg press with light ass weight

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lex
24-06-2013, 10:15 AM
The physios love the extra work the cross fitters are giving them.


If it helps people stay fit and not be fat tards, does it really matter what exercise they do ?

The Hamburgler
24-06-2013, 11:03 AM
^ not really

Unless as you say it is giving physios more work

jzpowahz
24-06-2013, 12:04 PM
I can't remember off the top of my head but in Supple Leopard book, Kelly Starett, had a valid reason re either shoulder stability or thoracic extension as to why someone would practice kipping. I'm still not doing it though haha.

WarbyD
24-06-2013, 12:19 PM
I find it hard to believe there would be any benefit to performing kipping pullups the way I see them done by crossfitters lol - nor do I believe any of them are doing it for any benefit other than being able to claim more reps than they would otherwise get :P

Interesting though that he would endorse kipping - I'm sure I watched a video a while back of his in which he was demonstrating how to do pullups "correctly" and there was definitely no kipping.

siiiski
24-06-2013, 01:08 PM
I can't remember off the top of my head but in Supple Leopard book, Kelly Starett, had a valid reason re either shoulder stability or thoracic extension as to why someone would practice kipping. I'm still not doing it though haha.


Although I too wouldn't practice kipping, that book is very good, has helped be tremendously.

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High Road
24-06-2013, 01:51 PM
Kipping is just a movement, no one is claiming a kip is equal to a strict pull up. In a "sport" where every rep counts you need to get as much work done as possible as fast as possible. A kip allows the most efficient movement for going from full extension to chin over or chest to bar. Think of it like a press vs a push press vs a push jerk/split jerk. All are different movements, just is a strict pull up vs kipping pull up. You don't have to kip, but it is allowed, and more efficient, so why wouldn't you?

D1cko
24-06-2013, 02:28 PM
Same argument could be given to power lifters who shorten their ROM with huge arches...as an exercise, full range presses might give more benefit?

strong enough?
24-06-2013, 03:05 PM
All are different movements, just is a strict pull up vs kipping pull up. You don't have to kip, but it is allowed, and more efficient, so why wouldn't you?

Because of the propensity of kipping pullups to result in debilitating shoulder injuries (specficially SLAP tears). It's only a more efficient movement if you are trying to do as many chins as you can in the shortest time possible. If it puts you out of action for 6 months while you rehab your shoulder, you might not think it's so efficient.

High Road
24-06-2013, 03:40 PM
Because of the propensity of kipping pullups to result in debilitating shoulder injuries (specficially SLAP tears). It's only a more efficient movement if you are trying to do as many chins as you can in the shortest time possible. If it puts you out of action for 6 months while you rehab your shoulder, you might not think it's so efficient.

It's only a more efficient movement if you are trying to do as many chins as you can in the shortest time possible. If that doesn't equal efficiency then maybe I don't understand the meaning of the word...


If injury is the case I'd argue that you aren't performing the movement correctly. But to argue that I'd need more information.

It's like the guy that hurts his back deadlifting with poor form, then tells everyone not to deadlift cause its bad for your back. Or the guy that hurts his knee squating full depth and then tells everyone not to go full depth cause its bad for your knees...

strong enough?
24-06-2013, 04:58 PM
The most efficient way to perform a snatch if you are trying to lift the most weight possible is different to the most efficient way to perform a snatch if you are doing them for time.

Fortunately for people trying to increase their strength (rather than their metcon), the most efficient way to lift the most weight usually (but not always) correlates with the safest way to perform the exercise. If you have truly excellent technique, you will lift more weight than you could if you have any technical errors.

Unfortunately for CrossFit, which puts at the centrepiece of its methodology performing complex full body movements (like Olympic lifts) for AMRAP within a specific period of time, is that the most efficient way to do an exercie AMRAP is often the least safest way to perform the exercise. This is not real efficiency - it's cheating.

You will find that performing a kipping pullup correctly actually puts you in a position extremely vulnerable to labral tears which you wouldn't otherwise put yourself in if you were doing a normal dead hang pullup. There is actually no safe way to perform this exercise. Plenty in the CF community itself have commented on this - just look at their forums. Many have complained about the lack of CF HQ maintaining injury statistics and the fact that no one has investigated whether the exercise is worthwhile staying in their WODs in light of the risk vs benefit.

It's definitely not the same as injuries resulting from poor deadlift or squat form.

High Road
24-06-2013, 07:26 PM
The most efficient way to perform a snatch if you are trying to lift the most weight possible is different to the most efficient way to perform a snatch if you are doing them for time.

The load and fatigue will always dictate the most efficient way to perform the snatch, be it a muscle snatch, power snatch or squat snatch. Shitty technique is not a substitute for efficiency.

Fortunately for people trying to increase their strength (rather than their metcon), the most efficient way to lift the most weight usually (but not always) correlates with the safest way to perform the exercise. If you have truly excellent technique, you will lift more weight than you could if you have any technical errors.

Couldn't agree more

Unfortunately for CrossFit, which puts at the centrepiece of its methodology performing complex full body movements (like Olympic lifts) for AMRAP within a specific period of time, is that the most efficient way to do an exercie AMRAP is often the least safest way to perform the exercise. This is not real efficiency - it's cheating.

Not really. Crossfit prescribes Mechanics/Consistancy/Intensity, in that order. If you don't have the mechanics and consistency then intensity (load) should not be added.
The most efficient way to complete an AMRAP would be to be technically consistent, not to perform the movement in the least safest way possible, and even if it is unsafe, how is it cheating? Cheating would be not completing the rep to movement standard, cheating has noting to do with safety.

You will find that performing a kipping pullup correctly actually puts you in a position extremely vulnerable to labral tears which you wouldn't otherwise put yourself in if you were doing a normal dead hang pullup. There is actually no safe way to perform this exercise. Plenty in the CF community itself have commented on this - just look at their forums. Many have complained about the lack of CF HQ maintaining injury statistics and the fact that no one has investigated whether the exercise is worthwhile staying in their WODs in light of the risk vs benefit.


You need to put your shoulder in a strong position from the start, regardless of a kip or strict. I have no doubt plenty of people have been hurt from this movement, or performing a snatch, clean and jerk, running, box jumping, skipping, pressing, deadlifting, squating etc etc. And yes, with every movement you need to weight up risk vs benefit. And yes, I agree, Crossfit should have injury stats, then we could compare the injuries to every other sport out there where you can also get injured. You also need to look at the people coaching Crossfit. Anyone can rock up, do a two day course and then start coaching...geee, I wonder why people are getting injured...

It's definitely not the same as injuries resulting from poor deadlift or squat form.

Sure it is. Do it with good form and technique and you will be fine.


But we can go back and forwards all day, you think Crossfit is the devil that ruins shoulders, I think it's just another training system that most people do poorly. Everyone will have an opinion depending on their exposure to the subject.

The Hamburgler
24-06-2013, 08:15 PM
He hasn't really said anything about KipFit itself - just that kipping pull ups in themselves are a poor exercise choice as they are a high risk with a poor cost to benefit ratio.

strong enough?
24-06-2013, 08:43 PM
He hasn't really said anything about KipFit itself - just that kipping pull ups in themselves are a poor exercise choice as they are a high risk with a poor cost to benefit ratio.

This is exactly it in a nutshell.

High Road
24-06-2013, 08:48 PM
As I said, everyone will have an opinion depending on their exposure to the subject. Learn how to do it correctly and you won't have an issue...reduce the risk. Simple. Just as you would do with other movements you don't know how to do.

ride29er
29-11-2013, 04:47 AM
Kipping is a smooth safe pull-up, the butterfly pull-up is another story, puts slot of stress on your shoulders


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Shrek
29-11-2013, 08:59 AM
"kipping is smooth"
LMAO

ride29er
29-11-2013, 09:04 AM
"kipping is smooth"
LMAO

Have you done it? I've got a fucked shoulder and I have no issues Kipping, it's the butterfly one that puts strain on your shoulders


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Headley
29-11-2013, 09:16 AM
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Goosey
29-11-2013, 09:22 AM
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Well done sir.

Shrek
29-11-2013, 09:42 AM
Have you done it? I've got a fucked shoulder and I have no issues Kipping, it's the butterfly one that puts strain on your shoulders


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I've no reason to even attempt a ridiculous pull up such as that.
You can be my guest though.

WarbyD
29-11-2013, 09:47 AM
Enter the usual "it's just another skill to practice after people have mastered strict pullups" argument


Then go to gym and see that most of the people kipping do it because they can't do strict pullups

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Goosey
29-11-2013, 09:54 AM
Impact has no place in exercise

To violently pull or push against an object increases risk of injury, hell, just hitting water hard enough can crack a skull open.

As they say, if you're going to be stupid, you got to be tough.

ride29er
29-11-2013, 09:58 AM
We do weighted strict pull-ups weekly, got 3 people in my session who can do 30 strict pull-ups, the better your strict pull-up the better your kip will be, if your not into crossfit there is no need to do them as I would not do them if I didn't do it, in all sports which are race formats, the quickest most effective movement is going to be used


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Goosey
29-11-2013, 10:01 AM
We do weighted strict pull-ups weekly, got 3 people in my session who can do 30 strict pull-ups, the better your strict pull-up the better your kip will be, if your not into crossfit there is no need to do them as I would not do them if I didn't do it, in all sports which are race formats, the quickest most effective movement is going to be used


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Good reply.

Bench Polkov
29-11-2013, 10:55 AM
Worth repeating.


but I think it's stupid. Why? Because Crossfitters make it stupid.