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Generational Testosterone Decline

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Your Father's generation has higher testosterone/sperm levels than your generation and your grandfathers generation has higher testosterone/sperm levels than your fathers generation, if trends follow the next generation will be less again.

In one of the largest study of its kind, Travison et al. report a population-wide decline in men’s testosterone levels during the last 20 years that is not related to normal aging or to health and lifestyle factors known to influence testosterone levels.

They found that testosterone concentrations dropped about 1.2% per year, or about 17% overall, from 1987 to 2004. The downward trend was seen in both the population and in individuals over time.
The decline is consistent with other long-term trends in male reproductive health, including decreases in sperm quality and increases in testicular cancer, hypospadias and cryptorchidism.

The strongest association was observed in same-aged men from different sampling years. For example, a 65-year-old in 2002 had lower testosterone levels than a 65-year-old in 1987.
Lower concentrations of testosterone can increase a man’s risk for age-related diseases, depression and infertility.
Also, the younger and older men in the study experienced similar hormone declines that dropped faster than would be predicted by normal aging.

What did they do?
Travison et al. used blood hormone data and personal information collected from men living in Boston, MA, as part of the Massachusetts Male Aging Study (MMAS). The MMAS examined men’s health and endocrine function. Data were gathered during three home visits from 1987-89 (T1), 1995-97 (T2), and 2002-04 (T3). Total testosterone (TT) and serum sex hormone-binding globulin were measured in the blood and available testosterone (BT) was calculated. The men self-reported such things as basic demographics, health status, and smoking and alcohol use.

In this study, Travison et al. analyzed data from 1,532 men (1,383, 955, and 568, respectively, from T1, T2 and T3) that met age and birth year requirements. Participants ranged from 45 to 79 years old and were born between 1916 and 1945. The researchers excluded high and low T levels, missing data, and unidentified prostate cancer treatment. Within the sample, they calculated and compared three separate but related associations among concentration, age, and time. They looked at changes in testosterone concentrations in the group of men at different years and ages associated with T1, T2, and T3; testosterone declines in individual men as they aged during the study; and testosterone concentrations of men of the same age but in different years (age-matched).

What did they find?
Travison et al. found strong evidence of a decline of more than 1% per year in men’s blood testosterone levels during the last two decades. The graph to the right shows average levels for each for men of different ages in each of the three measurement periods (T1-T3).
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Dotted lines are 95% confidence bands. Adapted from Travison et al.

The first comparison to make is that within a cohort, older men tend to have lower testosterone levels. Compare, for example, 80 yr old men in T3 compared to 60 yr old men.

The crucial comparison to make is from one cohort to the next, comparing men of the same age. For example, 60 yr old men during the first measurement period (red line, 1987-1989) had total testosterone levels over 500 ng/dL. Men aged 60 yrs old in the third cohort (blue line, measured 2002-2004) had TT below 450 ng/dL. There is no overlap between the confidence bands of T1 vs T3: T3 (measured 2002-2004) is always lower than T1.

The trend holds regardless of the men’s age. Similar declines over the 17 years were seen in all ages of men in the study.

Travison et al. note that the decline within the cohorts related to age is less than the decrease observed across cohorts. For example, men aged 70 in T1 had TT only 6% less than men aged 45 in the same cohort. But 60 yr old men in T3 had TT concentration approximately 13% lower than men the same age in T1.

To illustrate this point another way, Travison et al. compared the average decline of testosterone levels in T1 vs T2 as a function of age, and then contrast that with differences in testosterone between men of the same age in T1 vs T2. Note that T1 and T2 were only separated by 9 years. The average declines in T1 and T2 per decade of life were 17 and 20 ng/mL, respectively. But 65 yr old men in T2 had total testosterone levels 50 ng/mL lower than those in T1, even though the samples were separated by less than a decade.

Travison et al. then estimated the decline over time, from the first cohort to the third, for men of the same age (what they called the age-matched decline). They found that testosterone declined by 1.2% per year (95% CI 1.0% to 1.4%).

Bioavailable testosterone (BT) also showed similar declines over time. The strongest associations again held for age-matched trends with declines of 1.3% per year (95% CI 1.7% - 1.1%).

None of the health and lifestyle factors examined were associated with either age-matched declines in either TT or BT: The age-matched declines remained essentially the same after controlling for chronic illness, general health, medications, smoking, body mass index, employment, marital status, and other indicators.

Finally, the trends held when analyzing the data in a number of different ways, including by interview date, study cohort, restricting to men of certain ages or birth cohorts, and considering incomplete versus complete data.

What does it mean?

Travison et al. find that testosterone levels declined in Massachusetts men by approximately 1.2% per year from the late 1980s through 2004, controlling for the age of the men and other possible confounding variables.

This study is important because of its large sample size and long duration. Few studies have looked directly at testosterone levels over time.

The results are surprisingly consistent with another set of long-term human epidemiology studies. Those studies also show a long-term decline in male reproductive functions, such as decreased sperm health and increased infertility, which are highly associated with or controlled by testosterone and other androgen hormones. The rate of decline reported in this study is roughly comparable to the rate of decline of sperm count reported first by Carlson et al. in 1992 and then reanalyzed by Swan et al.in 2000.

In commentary accompanying Travison et al.'s study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, Dr. Shalender Bhasin (Boston Medical Center) writes: The data in this study are "important because they provide independent support for the concerns raised earlier about the reproductive health of men." ... "it would be unwise to dismiss these reports as mere statistical aberrations because of the potential threat these trends-- if confirmed-- pose to the survival of the human race and other living residents of our planet."

Travison, TG, AB Araujo, AB O’Donnell, V Kupelian, JB McKinlay. 2007. A population-level decline in serum testosterone levels in American men. Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism 92:196–202. A Population-Level Decline in Serum Testosterone Levels in American Men
 
Do we blame the xenoestrogens, or do we blame ourselves (the increasing divide between our primitive nature).
 
Well that explains the 'feminization trend' amongst today's young guys. It's no wonder there is more woman 'wearing the boots' as they say, in the average home these days.

Sad but true, not many young 'blokes' out there anymore.

It's funny, I was only talking about this with my wife the other day. I was calling it the 'peacock effect' because young fellas these days try to frock themselves up like a women to get female attention. I swear the average young fella spends more time shopping for clothes and hair gel these days than girls do.

LOL
 
It's more so in the food we eat with all the chemical and preservatives and all the shit in the air we are forced to breath many of these different chemicals are absorbed and converted in estrogen in the body, there is a boat load of info on the net when you search "estrogen in food"

quote from 1 website:
We live in an "over estrogenic world". Never before has the human body been exposed to such an overwhelming amount of estrogen chemicals in the environment, meat, dairy, produce and water supply.

It also explains why men and women are getting fatter and fatter as estrogen will help put fat on and why male fertility is going down.
And females these years have some of the biggest breast you have ever seen.
 
Well that explains the 'feminization trend' amongst today's young guys. It's no wonder there is more woman 'wearing the boots' as they say, in the average home these days.

Sad but true, not many young 'blokes' out there anymore.

It's funny, I was only talking about this with my wife the other day. I was calling it the 'peacock effect' because young fellas these days try to frock themselves up like a women to get female attention. I swear the average young fella spends more time shopping for clothes and hair gel these days than girls do.

LOL

Totally agree, have made the same observation over the past 10 or so years especially.
In a nutshell, womens breasts are getting bigger while men's balls are getting smaller.
 
Totally agree, have made the same observation over the past 10 or so years especially.
In a nutshell, womens breasts are getting bigger while men's balls are getting smaller.

It's a good thing cause it makes everyone easier prey for all of us Alpha males still getting around .

Not sure when it became cool to be a pussy. Spose estrogen in the food could have something to do with it more likely the sterilisation of male culture by the feminist movement. Man haters.
 
The Disappearing Male Documentary

click link to view video

The Disappearing Male - informationliberation

Factsheet: Male Infertility


  • There are more than 20 heavily industrialized nations where the birth of baby boys has declined every year for the past 30 years - amounting to 3 million fewer baby boys.
  • The number of boys born with penis abnormalities and genital defects has increased by 200% in the past two decades.
  • Boys have a higher incidence of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, learning disabilities, Tourett's syndrome, cerebral palsy and dyslexia.
  • Boys are four times as likely to be autistic.
  • The average sperm count of a North American college student today is less than half of what it was 50 years ago.
  • The quality of sperm is declining. Eighty-five per cent of the sperm produced by a healthy male is DNA-damaged.
  • Damaged sperm have been linked to a 300% increase in testicular cancer - a form of cancer that affects young men in their 20s and 30s.
  • The chemical industry has developed more than 90,000 man-made chemicals in the last sixty years. Eighty-five percent of them have never undergone testing for their impact on the human body.
 
Claims about environmental estrogen need to be critically evaluated. Not saying they aren't factors, but it's probably too early to overemphasise

You cannot discount other biological, behaviourial and cultural factors.

One big factor is the fact we are fatter and more sedentary. It is well known that fat cells produce estrogen. I wouldn't be surprised if the drop in testosterone in men was inversely proportional to obesity rates. If this were true, the obesity hypothesis would be just as plausible as environmental estrogen.

Also, there has been a dramatic shift from traditional gender roles in the past 40 years with women take a much more active role in the workforce after having children. 2 income families are the norm, which means that men have needed to take on domestic responsibilities they previously didn't have. For example, there is strong evidence that fathers who take more active roles in the care of children produce lower testosterone. Our bodies can self-regulate hormones and to adapt to the environment and it there isn't always attributable to some exogenic cause.

I know from personal experience that during each of my wife's pregnancies, my mood has changed a lot. I wouldn't be surprised if my test levels went down. This is apparently very common.

It may be a combination of various factors. Its a very interesting discussion.
 
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Excellent. This is great news. As the average declines, it becomes easier to outperform your peers. Suddenly a little bit of test goes a long way.
 
The Disappearing Male Documentary

click link to view video

The Disappearing Male - informationliberation

Factsheet: Male Infertility


  • There are more than 20 heavily industrialized nations where the birth of baby boys has declined every year for the past 30 years - amounting to 3 million fewer baby boys.
  • The number of boys born with penis abnormalities and genital defects has increased by 200% in the past two decades.
  • Boys have a higher incidence of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, learning disabilities, Tourett's syndrome, cerebral palsy and dyslexia.
  • Boys are four times as likely to be autistic.
  • The average sperm count of a North American college student today is less than half of what it was 50 years ago.
  • The quality of sperm is declining. Eighty-five per cent of the sperm produced by a healthy male is DNA-damaged.
  • Damaged sperm have been linked to a 300% increase in testicular cancer - a form of cancer that affects young men in their 20s and 30s.
  • The chemical industry has developed more than 90,000 man-made chemicals in the last sixty years. Eighty-five percent of them have never undergone testing for their impact on the human body.

That's some fucked up shit right there. That doco is an eye opener isn't it, jeeeez.
 
Claims about environmental estrogen need to be critically evaluated. Not saying they aren't factors, but it's probably too early to overemphasise

You cannot discount other biological, behaviourial and cultural factors.

One big factor is the fact we are fatter and more sedentary. It is well known that fat cells produce estrogen. I wouldn't be surprised if the drop in testosterone in men was inversely proportional to obesity rates. If this were true, the obesity hypothesis would be just as plausible as environmental estrogen.

Also, there has been a dramatic shift from traditional gender roles in the past 40 years with women take a much more active role in the workforce after having children. 2 income families are the norm, which means that men have needed to take on domestic responsibilities they previously didn't have. For example, there is strong evidence that fathers who take more active roles in the care of children produce lower testosterone. Our bodies can self-regulate hormones and to adapt to the environment and it there isn't always attributable to some exogenic cause.

I know from personal experience that during each of my wife's pregnancies, my mood has changed a lot. I wouldn't be surprised if my test levels went down. This is apparently very common.

It may be a combination of various factors. Its a very interesting discussion.

Some very good points made here.
 
Basically shopping for chicken breast at woolies doesn't get you as jacked as hunting sabertooth tigers for dinner.
 
Is this why my cawk is so small?(not srs)
On the other hand..
TITTIES!!!


Pretty bloody bad...

Lower spearm count not so bad, too many dumbarses on this planet anyway..

The (mental)disorder one is bad, thats pretty bloody horrible...
 
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