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How do you cope with living in a sexist society?
IRON TANKS
Site Advertiser
Agreed 
JDizzle
Member
I couldnt watch that vid, i tune out after 10 seconds and can only think about pounding her. good to see some girls are waking up though. Anyway..
Kindred your mentaly digging yourself into the ground mate
Youve just posted in the Rant thread you got low T. I could of told you that by reading your posts in this section.
You need to stop caring about women and get on with improving your life. Get your squat and deadlift up, keep grinding away at it. Keep eating as healthy as you can
On leg day go to the gym with the mentality that you are going to boost your Test. Smash yourself with the squats then eat like a king on steroids.
Who gives a shit about feminist women? They'll get to age 40 and realize they were conned. In the meantime pump and dump them, then settle down with a nice feminine one. A woman should only be about 30% of your happiness, till then work on improving yourself, your body, your job/career, your hobbies ect.
Kindred your mentaly digging yourself into the ground mate
Youve just posted in the Rant thread you got low T. I could of told you that by reading your posts in this section.
You need to stop caring about women and get on with improving your life. Get your squat and deadlift up, keep grinding away at it. Keep eating as healthy as you can
On leg day go to the gym with the mentality that you are going to boost your Test. Smash yourself with the squats then eat like a king on steroids.
Who gives a shit about feminist women? They'll get to age 40 and realize they were conned. In the meantime pump and dump them, then settle down with a nice feminine one. A woman should only be about 30% of your happiness, till then work on improving yourself, your body, your job/career, your hobbies ect.
Kyle Aaron
Active member
Of course it's a sexist society, goes both ways.
I cope by taking a teaspoon of cement each morning in my coffee. You can't be all, "oh noes, men should be tough and in charge, women should be weak and do as they're told," and then start crying like a little girl just because it's not as you want it to be.
You want men to be men, and women to be women? Rightyo then: real men don't post on internet forums about how mean and nasty women are.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y]YouTube - Ronnie Johns - Chopper - Harden the **** Up[/ame]
I cope by taking a teaspoon of cement each morning in my coffee. You can't be all, "oh noes, men should be tough and in charge, women should be weak and do as they're told," and then start crying like a little girl just because it's not as you want it to be.
You want men to be men, and women to be women? Rightyo then: real men don't post on internet forums about how mean and nasty women are.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y]YouTube - Ronnie Johns - Chopper - Harden the **** Up[/ame]
Kyle Aaron
Active member
Part of men manning up is learning to handle women being their boss from time to time, or women demanding equal pay, or even women wanting to not have acid splashed on their face for insulting their husband, as happens in our glorious ally Pakistan.
Women did grow a thicker skin. They used that thicker skin to go on protests and demand their rights as human beings - and they got them.
Human progress does not come about from being wet and woolly about things. The Suffragettes didn't ask nicely for their human rights. The blacks in Australia or the US didn't offer a hug and a pat on the back to their oppressors. They marched and blocked traffic.
Sure, individuals can't do much. But there is no social without the individual. The personal is political. Nothing good comes from people - men, women, black, white, straight, gay, whatever - sitting around feeling sorry for themselves. You don't like the world or your life? Get off your arse and change it.
And no, joining a Facebook group or posting on an internet forum is not an effective means of social change.
Women did grow a thicker skin. They used that thicker skin to go on protests and demand their rights as human beings - and they got them.
Human progress does not come about from being wet and woolly about things. The Suffragettes didn't ask nicely for their human rights. The blacks in Australia or the US didn't offer a hug and a pat on the back to their oppressors. They marched and blocked traffic.
Sure, individuals can't do much. But there is no social without the individual. The personal is political. Nothing good comes from people - men, women, black, white, straight, gay, whatever - sitting around feeling sorry for themselves. You don't like the world or your life? Get off your arse and change it.
And no, joining a Facebook group or posting on an internet forum is not an effective means of social change.
What really annoys me is how feminist and post colonial movements have invaded the academic world. After 12 years doing touchy feely crap at high school you'd think we'd be looking at some of the classics such as Coleridge, Frost and Keats. No. This was the subject list from english that I had to choose from this semester:
- Women's literature in the C18th
- Aboriginal literature: listen up!
- Children's literature
I rocked up to the latter for a few lessons. We were told we would be looking at the books through post-colonial and feminist lenses. We were forbidden from talking about sexual themes because it made our lecturer feel uncomfortable.
- Women's literature in the C18th
- Aboriginal literature: listen up!
- Children's literature
I rocked up to the latter for a few lessons. We were told we would be looking at the books through post-colonial and feminist lenses. We were forbidden from talking about sexual themes because it made our lecturer feel uncomfortable.
How are women oppressed in Australia? Pay? Largely a negotiation. If you are worth more, you need to both prove it and ask for it - if you don't get it take your services elsewhere. Same education opportunities, same employment opportunities (even the whole 'females are encouraged to apply! thing), female only gyms but no male only gyms allowed, that would be discrimination can't have that.
Men do not simply have gender prejudices and expectations, either - family and divorce court, 'cry wolf' rape cases etc, paternal leave is laughable. It isn't a perfect system, but I don't think it will ever be.
Now I do have a willy so I can't claim to have no bias, but I'm interested as to how women are oppressed in Australia.
IRON TANKS
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They're not - if a woman wants to feel true oppression - they should live in Iran. It's terrible.
Always listen to Eddie:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SniOXFhwIZ8[/ame]
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In all the low skill (labour, production, service) work I have undertaken, pay has been the same regardless of age, sex or gender. I mention this as you seem to only be talking about low skill labour. If you are involved in a skilled area or profession, then yes - your pay is dependent on your skills and how well you market them. If your skills are WORTH the money you are asking, when a tight-arse boss says 'go work somewhere else' you... go work somewhere else (for what you are WORTH).
The fact that women choose not to go into whatever profession is seen as male dominated is their choice. If no women take up career x it is no coincidence that it remains male dominated.
Having a uterus isn't an issue, 9 months+ out of your role probably is. As it would be for a male. That is a personal decision but unless you walk into the interview 2 months along, I don't see how it is a factor.
Anecdotally - my aunt worked at the RTA, got another job and fell pregnant at roughly the same time. Despite all this she was told she would be welcomed back with open arms should she ever want to return. If you are WORTH it, you won't meet this supposed resistance.
What lack of resources? If a co-ed school has wood/metal work for boys then obviously they have it for women. I don't see the social stigma argument. 'Tomboys' are not a new or negative thing. Familial obligations must be a joke. Please tell me you are joking.
Yes, the reality is that women obviously have little interest in these fields - else they would make use of the exact same educational opportunities. I have yet to meet a girl or woman who has wistfully sighed and told me 'I wish I was a plumber'. The amount I have met who has mentioned they wanted to be a makeup artist/beautician? Heaps.
Do they feel uncomfortable and intimidated at the shops? The bank? The grocery store? The newsagent? At work with all those MEN?
Every gym I've been to has had men and women coexisting. Maybe they fight over cardio machines I don't know I don't venture into that area, but in the weights area everything is peaches.
Which, in my opinion, you have yet to demonstrate exists.
So the deep and life altering experience of being labelled a rapist (which is what happens to these individuals, even if the case is thrown out) doesn't matter?
If you can source this I do indeed find it retarded.
Yet when a man is abused by a woman (which happens ALL the time - at this point it is basically given the ok by society) it is fine.
I think the reality is closer to equality than you have portrayed with your post. Removing the arguments with no actual basis (Familial obligations? Stigma?) leaves a much more positive, although not perfect, picture.
I would like to quickly state that I do appreciate the detailed response you gave, and I hope this doesn't come off as a hostile reply. I would also like to highlight that I don't believe domestic/sexual abuse are light issues - I did gloss over them but only due to the discussion at hand.
Nic your arguments are epic lame:
1) most women are excluded from high paying jobs because they often entail longer hours. Longer hours = less family time, which is the same deal for men.
2) You're ignoring statistics about women being the majority of students who stay on for senior and tertiary education and making up the bulk of areas such as law, finance and business (I am one of 6 boys in a law course of 120).
3) I've seen the statistics regarding 'cry wolf' rape cases. They ignore pre trial measures and vulgate rumour.
We now live in a society that encourages women whilst simultaneously placing few expectations on them. There are big scholarships, significant amounts of education and media focusing on their rights, they receive all the perks of the old world whilst reaching out with the other hand for the advantages of the new.
I propose Sulla style social reform.
1) most women are excluded from high paying jobs because they often entail longer hours. Longer hours = less family time, which is the same deal for men.
2) You're ignoring statistics about women being the majority of students who stay on for senior and tertiary education and making up the bulk of areas such as law, finance and business (I am one of 6 boys in a law course of 120).
3) I've seen the statistics regarding 'cry wolf' rape cases. They ignore pre trial measures and vulgate rumour.
We now live in a society that encourages women whilst simultaneously placing few expectations on them. There are big scholarships, significant amounts of education and media focusing on their rights, they receive all the perks of the old world whilst reaching out with the other hand for the advantages of the new.
I propose Sulla style social reform.
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Lol, you're cool mate.
Don't get me wrong, Im sure theres a lot of archaic relics of chauvinism and epic bogans out there who are totally incapable of viewing anyone with tits as an equal, but increasingly theyre a minority.
A lot of the issues youve discussed relating to career, social and familial expectations are related to social conditioning, in which women are their own worst enemy.
IRON TANKS
Site Advertiser
Psst.. you'll notice I was being facetious
However, I do think as Kyle mentioned the pendulum swings both ways. Ask my uncle how well he faired with divorce & custody et. al. He was fingered for a whole 20 years. She cried wolf (he abused me, the kids, bad father - all of which wasn't true) - she took the kids, house, and he paid child support for 3 kids without ever seeing them again. They know their father now as the 'arsehole who left us'. This case isn't limited to him. He still bleeds over it to this day.
When it comes to certain laws, women have it fantastic. Of course women should be allowed to lead a life of equality, as should men. The reality is, it isn't for either party, and it's sad.
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